"Do you have any idea how many Americans come to Canada to get the free healthcare we offer? Ever heard of medical tourism? Any idea what that's costing us?"

Do you have any idea how many Canadians have to come down to the United States for emergency care due to their lousy socialist healthcare system? Yes, I've heard of medical tourism, except the chosen destinations are Mexico, India, or the Philippines, not Canada.

The Democrats have fully supported illegal immigration in word and deed, and should Democratic leaders present a detailed proposal, I have little doubt that it would include illegal aliens. I'm afraid I'm going to have to leave it there, but once again, if anyone has links to detailed plans (rather than just speeches mentioning vague ideas) I'll take a look at them and report back.

Sorry for the double post.

That's called a screw-up, by the way, followed by an apology.

In response to your update:

I'll try to explain again. You chose the topic of health care for all. So far so good. Then you extended that to say Democrats want to extend health care to illegal immigrants without citing any Democrat who has taken that position. That, sir, is a strawman. See, you extended the argument out beyond what the Democrats claim, then you attack that untenable position. Classic strawman. You can hear it every day on talk radio and see it every night on Fox.

Here's a hint: Any time you hear someone claim they know what the other side believes, even if they don't have any evidence other than quoting some fringe whacko, left or right, that's almost always a strawman argument.

I know that with your prescience you can read the minds of your fellow men, but the rest of us don't have that gift. We have to actually listen to what people say and watch how they act.

Now, if you want to change the subject to Democrats supporting illegal immigration, that's called a bait and switch.

And in that, you'll find that what the Democrats are saying sounds oddly similar to what the head of the GOP, Mr. Bush, wants.

If you need me to clarify any other rhetorical devices for you, I'll be happy to oblige.

Dems would extend healthcare to "all of Mexico and most of the rest of the world"

Yes, this is hyperbole, but at the heart of this argument is a straw man. You are exaggerating a position that no one has claimed. That's what makes it dishonest.

Now, if I said Republicans always lie, then that is hyperbole, because while it's true that some Republicans lie, they don't always lie.

But if I said, Republicans want the poor to eat puppies, then that's a straw man, because I don't know of any Republican who actually believes that.

With the exception of Dick Cheney.

I hope that clears things up.

"Americans are our Mexicans."

Beautiful put.
spoojerm, you can go to the head of the class.

"You must be really desperate."

Devil's Advocate, I'm not at all sure why you think such a position reflects any particular desparation on the part of the right. Instead, it simply demonstrates that rank propaganda is the default means of communication for the followers of Republicanism. Want a perfect illustration? Just check out the stench of the rhetoric wafting out of the cesspool that is the Conservative Politcal Action Conference. Of course Democrats want to provide health coverage to all of Mexico. Just as they want the terrorists to win, to persuade children to adopt the "homosexual lifestyle," to turn violent criminals loose on the streets, and to convince women to have as many abortions as possible. There's not even a pretense that anyone believes this doggerel to be true; it's become nothing more than a virtually autonomic reflex action for Republicans.

Do you have any idea how many Americans come to Canada to get the free healthcare we offer? Ever heard of medical tourism? Any idea what that's costing us?

Americans are our Mexicans.

If you want anyone to believe that Democrats want to extend universal healthcare to illegal aliens, you should post some kind of example of proposed legislation or even just quotes from Democrats that supports your position. You have nothing, there is nothing. Except in your mind where Democrats are traitors and terrorists. Grow up.

have you even heard of logic? I am not asking you to be an expert in rhetoric, but this post is utterly inane. you appear to have no understanding of relevance or cause/effect relationships.

You are lying as usual. Some Democrats have been meeting with Mexican legislators to discuss migration. The original article that you hide so well does not even mention what will be discussed as part of "migration".

You see a poll showing that Americans favor a national health insurance and figure out a tortuous way to link this to some unfounded assumption that Democrats want to extend health insurance to Mexicans... You must be really desperate.