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Andrea Nill of ThinkProgress misleads about Joe the Plumber immigration comments at tea party - 07/06/09

The Houston tea party featured an appearance by Joe the Plumber, who said the following: I believe in making sure our country is safe first. I believe we need to spend a little more on illegal immigrants. Get them the hell out of our damn country and close the borders down. We can do it. We’ve got the greatest military in the world and you’re telling me we can’t close our borders? - That’s just ridiculous.

Harry Reid says there are enough Senate votes for immigration "reform"; offers deportation false choice - 06/15/09

Maria Pena of EFE - the Spanish news agency behind a 2006 smear - offers "Senate Leader Says Immigration Reform Possible This Year" [1]: He added that although (comprehensive immigration reform) does not have the backing of all Democrats, the bill will overcome the obstacles that stymied the failed 2007 reform. The majority leader said he has "no doubt" he could find as many as a dozen Republicans who support the measure to make up for defections in Democratic ranks. "We can't deport 11 million undocumented people, we can't do it physically and financially, as some would want," Reid said. "...

Michael Dukakis mindlessly spouts massive immigration talking points (Michael Bendetson) - 05/24/09

Remember Michael Dukakis? You know, former Massachusetts governor? The tank photo you see to the right? Ran for president in 1988? In case no one still remembers, raid a game of Trivial Pursuit, he's probably in there somewhere.

NYT: illegal immigration is "New York's special gift to America" (unhinged anti-Gillibrand editorial) - 01/31/09

The part Mexican-owned New York Times offers the editorial "Listening to Ms. Gillibrand" (link). They're wrong as usual, and they're even more unhinged than usual too. Red-faced with anger at country mouse Kirsten Gillibrand's Upstate ways, they lose it right about here:

Michael Chertoff misleads, promotes immigration "reform" at Yale (New Haven) - 04/08/08

Department of Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff visited New Haven, Connecticut yesterday to deliver a keynote speech at Yale Law School.

Barack Obama's "honest conversation" about immigration included dishonesty, false choice, support for illegal activity - 04/03/08

On the first of the month, Senator Barack Obama spoke in Scranton, Pennsylvania and was asked about the 12 million (or so) illegal aliens in the U.S.:

Jay Newton-Small/Time misleads about immigration (Huckabee, Tancredo, INS) - 12/22/07

A minor example of how Time magazine and the rest of the MSM mislead and/or don't understand immigration issues is presented in "Tancredo's Single-Issue Victory" (link):

NPR Democratic debate: weak questions on immigration, logical fallacies - 12/04/07

NPR held a Democratic debate earlier today, and it currently looks like they asked a few incredibly weak questions on immigration that simply allowed the candidates to give their stock speeches. Not only that, but the questions appear to have been designed to make the candidates look slightly reasonable by comparison.

Cynthia Tucker: Democrats should put immigration "reform" front and center - 11/10/07

Cynthia Tucker has a laugh-a-line column called here "Democrats must take immigration reins and ride the high road". She plays the race card, saying among other things that the Republicans are "scapegoat[ing] foreigners", compares legalizing foreign citizens who are here illegally to the civil rights movement, and offers the stock false choice between a massive amnesty and mass deportations.

Marie Cocco's thinking abilities on full display (Washington Post WG) - 11/01/07

Marie Cocco writes for the Washington Post Writer's Group, i.e., syndicated articles that apparently even the WaPo is afraid to print. An example of the latter is offered in "The Willie Hortons of 2008" [1] about Hillary Clinton's support for driver's licenses for illegal aliens. After initial race-baiting, she shows us her knowledge of this issue and her thinking abilities:

Obama immigration interview: he'd make situation far worse (Kevin Johnson/UC Davis) - 09/25/07

Professors Kevin Johnson (, Jennifer Chacon, and Bill Hing of UC Davis have scored a true coup for the blogosphere: an interview about immigration with Barack Obama!

Bill Richardson misleads on immigration (again, and again...) - 07/28/07

Not content to simply lie about the border fence or to be a shill for the OAS, on June 12, 2007 Bill Richardson made two misleading statements about immigration: 1. He offered the now-standard "false choice" between a massive legalization plan (i.e., amnesty) and mass deportations. He forgot to mention a third choice: "attrition". Under that plan we'd enforce our current laws in order to encourage many illegal aliens to return home voluntarily.

Bryan Caplan/George Mason University: a true "economist" and "intellectual" - 06/21/07

Bryan Caplan is an Associate Professor of Economics at George Mason University. His "thinking abilities" as well as his "economic" skills are on full display in the Economist guest post "Immigration Restrictions: A Solution in Search of a Problem". Let's take a look at this public "intellectual": Every blogger I know tells me the same story: The fastest way to provoke angry comments is to post a kind word about immigration. In the blogosphere, as in real life, complaints about immigrants abound. Of course, those complaints aren't usually about "immigrants" either in general or about "...

False choice alert: NYT/CBS poll says "Majority Favor Changing Immigration Laws" - 05/24/07

Julia Preston and Marjorie Connelly of the New York Times get out their megaphone and shout, "Majority Favor Changing Immigration Laws, Poll Says".

Chertoff: won't do job; going after bloggers; will stage show raids to inflame left - 05/24/07

DHS Secretary Michael Chertoff, in a meeting with the editorial board of USA Today, admitted that he's not going to do the job he's supposed to be doing, said that the White House will be creating a "rapid response" team to counter criticism from the MSM and from bloggers, and implied that those immigration raids that he'll be conducting in the future will be designed to inflame the left and other illegal immigration supporters. Bottom line: Congress should try to get him fired. Since it's clear that he has not and will not do his job, that should be easy. Except, of course, most of them...

David Redlawsk/Caroline Tolbert offer misleading University of Iowa immigration poll - 04/11/07

Who knew? According to a misleading poll that offers a bit of a false choice conducted by David Redlawsk and Caroline Tolbert (associate professors of political science in the University of Iowa College of Liberal Arts and Sciences), a majority of Iowans prefer "earned citizenship", aka a massive amnesty.

Gordon Hanson/UCSD/CFR: "The Economic Logic of Illegal Immigration" - 04/09/07

Gordon H. Hanson, Professor of Economics, University of California, San Diego, offers a Council on Foreign Relations paper called "The Economic Logic of Illegal Immigration" (PDF download at "Economics" is from the Greek for "house", and he's the type of economist who'd recommend saving money by not building a fourth wall for a house.

Bush drones on in Yuma, promotes "comprehensive immigration reform" - 04/09/07

No fence pics yet. Developing... UPDATE: ICBITN ("I Can't Believe I Took Notes"). As expected, this was Immigration Speech #5, with the 5-D variant. There is absolutely nothing in what he said that was either a) new, or b) answered his critics.

Biased USA Today/Gallup Poll offers false choice on immigration - 03/14/07

The March 2-4, 2007 USA Today/Gallup Poll has a question on immigration that features a false choice: Which comes closest to your view about what government policy should be toward illegal immigrants currently residing in the United States? Should the government -- [ROTATED: deport all illegal immigrants back to their home country, allow illegal immigrants to remain in the United States in order to work, but only for a limited amount of time, or allow illegal immigrants to remain in the United States and become U.S.

Why the Bush administration's immigration plans are nuts, Part #439592 - 03/01/07

From this: President Bush waded gingerly back into the debate over immigration Wednesday, as two of his top lieutenants urged Congress to grant "legal status" to an estimated 12 million people now living in the country illegally. Commerce Secretary Carlos Gutierrez and Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff stopped short, however, of endorsing a plan to give illegal immigrants a chance at citizenship. "I believe what people want first and foremost is to have legal status," Gutierrez said. "I don't think everyone wants to be a citizen." Well, it's good that he doesn't "think" that....

Boston Herald wants to "resolve immigration reform" - 11/17/06

The Boston Herald offers a canard-laden editorial called "Time to resolve immigration reform" (link). Like others, they cautiously think this is a good opportunity for the Democrats and Bush to find common ground:

Tim Dickinson/Rolling Stone's misleading, pro-illegal immigration propaganda - 10/29/06

Tim Dickinson of Rolling Stone offers his list of the 10 worst Congressmen. As you might expect from that publication, it's biased ( (9 of 10 are Republicans) and their complaints consist mainly of lightweight analysis and smears.

Bush signs border fence bill; on to "comprehensive immigration reform"! - 10/26/06

Our president George Bush has signed the "Secure Fence Act", which might result in 700 miles worth of fencing on the Mexican border. A White House fact sheet is at In case it wasn't clear already, that "fact sheet" shows that the fence is just an excuse to get what Bush really wants.

Dick Armey, Kay Bailey Hutchison, Mike Pence, and Helen Krieble do lunch - 09/26/06

From their press release: FreedomWorks Foundation sponsored a luncheon for Capitol Hill staffers to discuss immigration reform that will balance both security and economic concerns. In particular, the forum will examine options for strengthening our borders while establishing procedures that provide law-abiding workers a legitimate path to the American workplace. FreedomWorks chairman and former House Majority Leader Dick Armey was joined by Senator Kay Bailey Hutchison (R-TX), Congressman Mike Pence (R-IN, 6), and Helen Krieble, President of the Vernon K. Krieble Foundation. It was her...

Mike Huckabee disses Americans, Mexicans, promotes illegal immigration - 09/19/06

America's second-most anti-American governor, Mike Huckabee, recently spoke before a meeting of the Lexington County [South Carolina] GOP: ...When people say illegal immigrants take jobs from Americans, Huckabee said he asks them to name someone "who cannot get a job because a Mexican illegally here has taken the job they want." "If that's the case, if you can get me their name and phone number by five this afternoon, I can have them making a bed, plucking a chicken, tarring a roof or picki

House offers border security bill; Dick Morris, liberals - 09/13/06

From this: House Republicans said Tuesday that they're preparing a package of tough border security initiatives that they hope will satisfy constituent demands for a crackdown on illegal immigration before they face voters in the Nov.

Live-blogging Bush's immigration speech - 05/15/06

Is he insane? This is the same speech he's delivered countless times. Does he expect a different result? Is he intentionally trying to drive his popularity down to 20%? For decades, the United States has not been in complete control of its borders... First, the United States must secure its borders. This is a basic responsibility of a sovereign Nation. Bush has had over five years to secure the border, and it's been well within his ability all that time. It's a matter of will and nothing more.

John McCain wants to know why he's wrong about illegal immigration - 05/11/06

One good way to reduce illegal immigration - or at least try to stop an amnesty - would be if Americans would go to appearances by politicians and ask them tough questions. Then, make sure that the question and the answer are publicized. As an example, think what would have happened if someone had asked a difficult question during this April 7 New Hampshire appearance by Sen. John McCain (via this). He informs his nearly-silent listeners that "our borders are broken, they are not under our control... the first obligation of every government is to enforce our borders." Then, he promotes his "...

Zogby: majority support House on immigration - 05/04/06

The latest Zogby poll should send a very loud, clear message to the Senate that if they support any form of amnesty their parties will be in serious trouble in 2008 if not sooner. Consider just this one point: "2 percent of Americans believe current immigration is too low". That's 2, as in "two". On immigration generally, Americans want less, not more, immigration.

George F. Will on Tom Tancredo - 10/09/05

Will discusses Tancredo in a largely fair column entitled "The GOP's Border Guard". Unfortunately, he also works in a few myths and canards. Tancredo knows his candidacy would be quixotic, and he worries that if he wins few votes his issue will be discounted. But he also knows that presidential primaries are, among other things, market research mechanisms whereby unserved constituencies are discovered and dormant issues brought to life. Which is what worries Republican officials. They desperately want to avoid giving offense to the Hispanic vote, the rapidly growing -- and already the...

Cynthia Tucker's illegal immigration strawman; a challenge - 10/02/05

The Atlanta Journal-Constitution columnist offers "Don't blame illegals; blast their bosses", which shall be mini-fisked as follows: In every time, and in every place, there are demagogues who ride to power by whipping up the fears and resentments of an anxious populace. Believe or don't, she's referring to Tom Tancredo.

"FAIR Responds to Sham Immigration Poll" - 04/07/05

A new poll conducted on behalf of the open immigration advocacy group, the National Immigration Forum, reveals that even reputable polling organizations will conduct push polls to generate revenue in political off-years.

Do you want four more years of this? - 09/10/04

In order to avoid sending my blood pressure through the roof, I'm not going to quote from the Washington Times interview with our so-called "Borders Czar" Asa Hutchinson. The article is called "Rounding up all illegals 'not realistic'" and it includes a picture of a thoughtful Hutchinson as he presumably ponders ways not to do the job Americans want done. First of all, very few Americans are suggesting putting illegal aliens on cattle cars. And, most Americans realize that there will always be some illegal aliens.