Iowa Republican Presidential Debate December 15, 2011 (Fox News, GOP, Iowa Caucus, Gingrich, Romney, Perry, Ron Paul, Bachmann, Santorum)

Yet another worthless GOP debate will be held tonight, December 15, 2011:


HOST: Bret Baier

MODERATORS: Megyn Kelly, Neil Cavuto, and Chris Wallace

WHEN: 9pm Eastern

WHERE: Sioux City, Iowa

PARTICIPANTS: Newt Gingrich, Mitt Romney, Rick Perry, Michelle Bachmann, Ron Paul, Rick Santorum, and Jon Huntsman.

TRANSCRIPT: When available.

WHAT TO WATCH FOR: As with all the rest, this debate will feature weak, superficial questions and few follow-ups. Any immigration ideas they present will be flawed just like at the debate five days ago. None of the moderators will ask as many trivial gotcha as others, but they won't "cross-examine" the candidates on the downsides of their policies either.

SUGGESTED READING: The links in the list of candidates above, debates, and most importantly of all the alternative to bogus political debates. That plan would ensure that the presidential candidates promote vetted policies with only known side-effects. All the debates so far simply allow candidates to give their stock speeches without being challenged on the flaws in their plans.

Feel free to leave comments below before, during or after the debate. This post will be updated after a transcript becomes available.

12/16/11 UPDATE: In the debate, Jon Huntsman lied, misled, and promoted bad policies (link):

In a major departure from the GOP line, dark horse candidate Jon Huntsman said Americans should be alarmed by the reduction of legal immigrants coming to the U.S. – because of the ailing economy – and fewer entrepreneurs contributing to the economic recovery.

“This president has so screwed up this economy, nobody is coming anymore. There is nothing to come for,” Huntsman said. “Let's not lose sight of the fact that legal immigration is an engine of growth for this country. Half of the Fortune 500 countries in this country today were founded by immigrants.”

Huntsman also added that Latinos will vote for Republicans because of the party’s pro-growth policies.

1. According to the "Partnership for a New American Economy", "More than 40 percent of the 2010 Fortune 500 companies were founded by immigrants or their children... there are 90 immigrant-founded Fortune 500 companies, accounting for 18 percent of the list." Obviously, 18% is not 50%. Even the 40%+ isn't 50%. And on top of that, PNAE cooked the books on those Fortune 500 immigration statistics. For instance, they list DuPont - whose founder came to the U.S. in 1799 - as an immigrant-founded company. Michael Bloomberg and his pals in the PNAE would probably try to list Hudson's Bay Company - founded in Canada in 1670 - as an immigrant-founded company if he thought he could get away with it.

2. What we should be alarmed by is that when the economy improves, illegal immigration will pick up and be allowed by Barack Obama as well as supposed opponents such as those like Huntsman.

3. While some Latinos will vote GOP due to "pro-growth policies", more might vote GOP if the GOP demagogued on social issues (such as cynical anti-gay marriage campaigns). However, much of the GOP outreach to Latinos supports far-left concepts and is to those who'd never vote for the GOP no matter what. Instead of reaching out to the segment of Latinos that support our laws, the GOP outreaches to those who oppose our immigration laws and to far-left racial power groups like the National Council of La Raza.

12/17/11 UPDATE: Two days later, I still can't find a transcript. If anyone knows where one is, please leave a comment.