RT @24AheadDotCom: .@VictorB123 @johnmarzan: obviously, lots of growers etc. *prefer* illegal aliens. Lower cost, easier to control. #immig…

RT @24AheadDotCom: .@VictorB123 @johnmarzan: not letting people resettle lands they think are rightfully theirs is a very, very, very old c…

.@VictorB123 @johnmarzan: not letting people resettle lands they think are rightfully theirs is a very, very, very old concept. #immigration

.@VictorB123 @johnmarzan: obviously, lots of growers etc. *prefer* illegal aliens. Lower cost, easier to control. #immigration #tcot #occupy

@24AheadDotCom @johnmarzan They can't get them. Huge worker shortage. Illegals are the only ones who will TAKE those jobs.

@24AheadDotCom @johnmarzan Americans would rather sit on their asses on welfare. It pays better than working.

@24AheadDotCom @johnmarzan Again. THIS is the problem. http://t.co/rqJpIvKzTh

@24AheadDotCom @johnmarzan A $29,000 a year job + welfare pays more than a $65,000 a year job.

@VictorB123 @24AheadDotCom i'd be okay with guestwrkrprg if you plug anchor baby loophole first and end free k-12 education to future illegl

@johnmarzan @24AheadDotCom Agreed. The anchor baby thing is a problem. That needs to be fixed.

@johnmarzan @24AheadDotCom If they can get work permits, they are more likely to go home when work is done for the winter, too.

@VictorB123 @24AheadDotCom obamacare exaccerbates this by penalizing business from hiring americans over legalized illegals.

@johnmarzan @24AheadDotCom Now they are forced to stay over because they don't know if they can get back.

@VictorB123 @24AheadDotCom immigrant groups dont use welfare? they shldnt right? but guess which immig group uses the most.

@VictorB123 @24AheadDotCom why would they return home if they can bring their kids to USA and enroll them in public schools 4 free like now?

@VictorB123 @24AheadDotCom you and ezra klein are wrong! :) http://t.co/jYK4Vl29yj

@johnmarzan @24AheadDotCom That's a state issue. Whether or not they can enroll their kids in school is a state decision.

@VictorB123 @24AheadDotCom plyler v doe is a supreme court decision mandating all states to give free education to illegal foreigners.

@johnmarzan @24AheadDotCom In 10 years you will be BEGGING workers from Mexico to come here. We will have a HUGE number of retired.

@johnmarzan @24AheadDotCom 30% of our current workforce will be retired by that time. The current average age of US farmers is over 55

@johnmarzan @24AheadDotCom We are going to be in a WORLD of hurt in 10 years if we don't get some additional workers in here.

@johnmarzan @24AheadDotCom We aren't going to have enough workers to support the retirees.

@VictorB123 @24AheadDotCom make it harder for ppl to immigrate, not easier, so you only get best/brightest like in canada &not reconquista.

@johnmarzan @24AheadDotCom But there is no "amnesty bill". There is no House immigration reform bill.

@johnmarzan @24AheadDotCom All we have is a bunch of speculation and people speculating on the speculation.

@VictorB123 @24AheadDotCom USA will not be begging. ppl will always come. they're at the gates. USA needs to be selective.

@VictorB123 @24AheadDotCom canada has an asian immigrant pop. of 15.3%, blacks 2.8% and hispanic immig 1.2%. By design, victor?

.@johnmarzan @VictorB123: old Zogby poll: 58% of those in Mexico said US southwest rightfully belongs to Mexico. #immigration #tcot #p2 #sgp

@24AheadDotCom @johnmarzan Which has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with an immigration discussion.

@24AheadDotCom @johnmarzan Now you seem to be just looking for reasons to discriminate against Mexicans.

@VictorB123 @24AheadDotCom canada discriminates against mexicans,and nobody other than mexican ambassador says a peep http://t.co/c3DvLgN8dm

@VictorB123 @24AheadDotCom mexico has shall we say a passive aggressive relationship with USA.

@johnmarzan @24AheadDotCom In 2011, Sacramento County LOST over 10,000 Mexican nationals.

@johnmarzan @24AheadDotCom They went home. There's more work.

@VictorB123 @24AheadDotCom more like They went home. They lost their higher paying job.

@johnmarzan Auto plants are hiring in Mexico. They aren't in the US. @24AheadDotCom

@VictorB123 @24AheadDotCom high skilled labor.

@johnmarzan @24AheadDotCom The gang of 8 bill is dead, gone, done, fork stuck in it.

@VictorB123 @24AheadDotCom i mean majority of illegals from latin america, poor, low skilled, poorly educated, and no english, right?

@johnmarzan @24AheadDotCom That was the case 10 years ago. Not sure what the demographics are today.

@VictorB123 @24AheadDotCom immigration reform is like a zombie, it keeps coming back. but without the 2 reforms i brought up, a non starter

@johnmarzan @24AheadDotCom Oh, there WILL be reform at some point. Just not in 2014. http://t.co/Oj6pWcJNHU

@24AheadDotCom @Glaivester @johnmarzan @VictorB123 they want what WE built! Look at the dung heap #Mexico #58%

@Debbz323 @24AheadDotCom @Glaivester @VictorB123 everybody wants what USA has, it's just that it's easier to enter USA if you're from mexico

RT @24AheadDotCom: .@johnmarzan @VictorB123: 2009: 1/3 of Mexicans would move to US if could: http://t.co/LPAz9QHPQA #immigration #tcot #te…

.@johnmarzan @VictorB123: per Gallup, 2013 it was 11%. But, their 2008 rate is lower than Pew. #immigration #tcot #teaparty #sgp

@24AheadDotCom @johnmarzan Point is, it went in half over 5 years.

@VictorB123 @24AheadDotCom and d pernicioius thing mexico is doing is they abet smuggling of central ams to USA so these ppl wont stay in MX

.@johnmarzan @VictorB123: 2009: 1/3 of Mexicans would move to US if could: http://peekURL.com/zDnVhDf #immigration #tcot #teaparty #sgp

@24AheadDotCom @johnmarzan Yeah, that data is no longer true. Here is newer data. http://t.co/ppcLpj2UTY

@24AheadDotCom @Glaivester @johnmarzan @VictorB123 Sure look at their dung heap! Now they want to make ours a dung heap #LORDONMYKNEES

RT @24AheadDotCom: .@VictorB123 @johnmarzan: Pew Hispanic says net migration *might* be heading back up: http://t.co/U1jbIqBBlN #immigratio…

.@VictorB123: try to limit responses to a few tweets, OK? Ex-illegal aliens moving up will screw American #WalMart cashiers, etc. #ows #tlot

@24AheadDotCom They are ALREADY screwing Americans. The number of Americans being screwed will not change.

@24AheadDotCom It will make no difference except to make them LESS likely to need welfare.

.@VictorB123 @24AheadDotCom You don't think amnesty will encourage more illegal immigration?

.@VictorB123 @24AheadDotCom You don't realize most "reform" packages include vast increases in legal immigration?

@Glaivester No. At least not right now. Migration right now is a net zero. Mexico has less than 5% unemployment and @24AheadDotCom

@Glaivester better economic growth than the US has. Why would someone want to come to a place with MORE unemployment? @24AheadDotCom

@Glaivester With birth rates as low as they are and with the boomers retiring, we are going to HAVE to get more people @24AheadDotCom

@Glaivester into the system paying taxes somehow. We can not support the baby boom on social security right now. @24AheadDotCom

@Glaivester We are going to have to do one of three things: 1. Increase birth rates, 2: more immigration 3: kill old people @24AheadDotCom

@Glaivester Increasing birth rates is probably not viable because Democrats are ruining our education system. @24AheadDotCom

.@VictorB123 @24AheadDotCom Migration has increased since Senate amnesty bill: http://t.co/eGirmc5XPp

@Glaivester But at the same time OUT migration has also increased. Still net zero migration. @24AheadDotCom

.@VictorB123 @24AheadDotCom That assumes immigrants are paying more into system than they take.

@Glaivester California farms are losing their Mexican workers. Currently a huge worker shortage in the central valley. @24AheadDotCom

@Glaivester They are going home. Better jobs for them in Mexico. Construction is booming, so is manufacturing. @24AheadDotCom

.@VictorB123 @24AheadDotCom Bringing in more non-English speakers and people who on average have lower IQs will help the education system?

@Glaivester Mexico has a 4.5% unemployment rate. They aren't in a hurry to leave. @24AheadDotCom

.@VictorB123 @24AheadDotCom Presumably, when these immigrants get old enough for Social Security, they will decline to collect it?

.@VictorB123 @24AheadDotCom Such a shortage they have to pay decent wages. The horror! http://t.co/t5C9hbdNuB

@Glaivester Everyone is basing their opinions on a 10 year old situation. Situation is different today. @24AheadDotCom

@Glaivester Nope. The Americans don't want the jobs at any wage. Don't want to do manual labor. @24AheadDotCom

@Glaivester When I was a kid, there would be local white kids alongside the Mexicans in the fields picking. Not anymore. @24AheadDotCom

.@VictorB123 @24AheadDotCom Yes, number of Americans without jobs is much, much higher.

@VictorB123 @Glaivester @24AheadDotCom most of their ppl are already working in the states. duh!

@Glaivester That was a good summer job. These days we have huge numbers of unemployed in Fresno that won't take the work. @24AheadDotCom

@Glaivester Fresno County has an 11.9% unemployment rate yet the farms are short workers. @24AheadDotCom

@Glaivester Tulare County has a 13% unemployment rate. The problem is that welfare pays too much. @24AheadDotCom

@Glaivester THIS is why they aren't working: http://t.co/rqJpIvKzTh @24AheadDotCom

@VictorB123 @24AheadDotCom obamcare+amnesty=toxic. obamacare incentivices business to hire legalized illegals over citizens to avoid ACA tax

@VictorB123 @Glaivester @24AheadDotCom that's old data. migration is slowly going back up again after The Great Recession in 2008

That @24AheadDotCom guy Victor is a middle GOP prog. IMHO.

@johnmarzan You have no idea what you are talking about. Americans are moving to mexico. http://t.co/BLhdbwfSur @Glaivester @24AheadDotCom

@johnmarzan More Americans are moving to Mexico than Mexicans moving to America. @Glaivester @24AheadDotCom

@johnmarzan Show me the data. @Glaivester @24AheadDotCom

.@VictorB123 @24AheadDotCom "Won't do jobs at any wage." Nice way to avoid even trying higher wages as incentive.

@VictorB123 @Glaivester @24AheadDotCom LOL, those are US-born mexicans anchor babies with their illegal parents.

@johnmarzan Not really. US citizens are retiring there in droves @Glaivester @24AheadDotCom

.@VictorB123 @24AheadDotCom Even in most immigrant-heavy profession, Americans 37% of workforce (download table): http://t.co/vWnbkmDs4a

@johnmarzan I have friends that already have their retirement place. @Glaivester @24AheadDotCom

@Glaivester Majority of illegals around me come from India and China. Arrive on legitimate visas and just don't leave @24AheadDotCom

@Glaivester They come here on a tourist visa or to visit family and just stay here. @24AheadDotCom

@VictorB123 @Glaivester @24AheadDotCom those are mexican americans with their illegal alien parents.

.@VictorB123 @24AheadDotCom Amnesty will open up more jobs to immigrants: http://t.co/IFpKQCxfKk result? Current illegals move up (1/2)

@johnmarzan @Glaivester @24AheadDotCom Show me the data that says that. I PERSONALLY KNOW people who have retired there.

.@VictorB123 @24AheadDotCom Their old jobs opening up creates a pull for more illegals who previously would not have migrated. (2/2)

.@VictorB123 @24AheadDotCom So? (1) I never said Mexico was our only problem. (2) We want visa enforcement, not just border enforcement.

.@VictorB123 @24AheadDotCom And this is not a problem? You think Chinese and Indians are not competing with Americans for jobs?

@Glaivester @24AheadDotCom Ok, I will say this from the perspective of working in a high tech company in silicon valley:

@VictorB123 @Glaivester @24AheadDotCom why would non-mexican americans en masse move to mexico?

@Glaivester @24AheadDotCom Those people come from India and China with world class engineering degrees. We advertise jobs for MONTHS.

@Glaivester @24AheadDotCom We can't get American applicants. They all have degrees in "sociology" or "gender studies" that we don't need.

@Glaivester @24AheadDotCom American education system is pumping out lazy idiots at an increasing pace.