Delusional @AlexNowrasteh thinks "National Sovereignty and Free #Immigration Are Compatible": http://24ahead.com/n/12032 #libertarian #tcot

.@24AheadDotCom @AlexNowrasteh He CLAIMS to think they are compatible.

.@Glaivester @24AheadDotCom I made an argument based on political philosophy & history. Tell me specifically why I'm wrong.

.@AlexNowrasteh Read @24AheadDotCom's link. It explains how free immigration would work in practice.

.@AlexNowrasteh @24AheadDotCom Bottom line: free immigration might work, if all safeguards were 100% effective. Seems rather naive.

@Glaivester @24AheadDotCom I read it. Comparing forced Soviet settlement of Russians in Ukraine decades ago to immigration is not serious.

.@Glaivester @24AheadDotCom It doesn't require 100% safeguards. No policy requires 100% safeguards to work well. Think of MB and MC.

.@AlexNowrasteh @24AheadDotCom Please explain acronyms MB and MC.

.@AlexNowrasteh @24AheadDotCom My point: w/open borders we would be letting in tens of millions of very statist immigrants. (1/3)

.@AlexNowrasteh @24AheadDotCom Do you honestly think we can (1)convert them to libertarianism en masse, (2)prevent them from becoming(2/3)

.@AlexNowrasteh @24AheadDotCom ) voters, or (3)stop socialist policies, e.g. through judicial review if they vote for them? (3/3)

.@AlexNowrasteh @24AheadDotCom Due to bans on restrictive covenants, govt-sponsored Section 8 housing, there is forced settlement in US.

.@AlexNowrasteh @24AheadDotCom That is, we're not forcing immigrants to settle, but we are forcing communities to accept them.

.@AlexNowrasteh @24AheadDotCom I doubt it mattered to Ukrainians whether settlement was forced from Russian perspective.

@Glaivester @AlexNowrasteh @24AheadDotCom Silly me I thought gov subsidized housing was for the poor already here.

@Glaivester @AlexNowrasteh @24AheadDotCom why do we let immigrants go on gov subsidies? No other country does except maybe Canada

@Glaivester @AlexNowrasteh @24AheadDotCom Landlords are not obliged to accept section eight subsidies. There is nothing forced about it.

@SandraHartle @Glaivester @24AheadDotCom We don't give much in housing subsidies to non-citizens. http://t.co/yOi7BWzu5U

.@Glaivester @24AheadDotCom I don't support imm. reform because I think they will all be libertarians. It's a libertarian policy

.@Glaivester @24AheadDotCom Furthermore, impact of immigrants on welfare does not support your prediction: http://t.co/tMPVGr26RX

@Glaivester @24AheadDotCom The point in bringing up the forced resettlement in Ukraine is that it is very diff. from U.S. experience.

.@Glaivester @24AheadDotCom We wouldn't b forcing places 2 accept them, we would b allowing ind. property owners 2 sell 2 whom they want.

.@AlexNowrasteh @24AheadDotCom The point is, it will end all other libertarian economic policies.

.@Glaivester @24AheadDotCom Not so, especially since New Deal & Great Society happened when immigration more difficult. Imms aren't as . . .

.@Glaivester @24AheadDotCom . . . statist as u assume. http://t.co/rB0mFlV25F. Furthermore, think dynamically: How other voters will respond

.@AlexNowrasteh @24AheadDotCom (1) There was major immigration from 1880 to early 1920s. Difficult immigration only for about 10 yrs before.

.@AlexNowrasteh @24AheadDotCom (2) Current immigrants tend to be from groups (such as Latinos) who lean liberal and pro-welfare.

.@Glaivester @24AheadDotCom Just about every immigrant group since 1798 has leaned Democratic. No difference today.

.@Glaivester @24AheadDotCom So? New Deal was possible AFTER immigration closed bec. that removed major criticism that imms would take adv.

.@AlexNowrasteh @24AheadDotCom Immigrants use welfare at higher rate than natives: http://t.co/ykzjy0O9cs http://t.co/TqjGPYhmFZ

@AlexNowrasteh @Glaivester @24AheadDotCom Big Depression, not immigration made people become more statist. Recessions are awful for policy

@Glaivester @24AheadDotCom But poor immigrants use far less means-tested welfare than poor natives. http://t.co/aXwc30Febo

@Glaivester @24AheadDotCom Your complaint is with welfare state, not people who under use it.

.@AlexNowrasteh @24AheadDotCom And the waves of Democrats let in from 1880s to 1920s had nothing to do with popularity of New Deal?

.@AlexNowrasteh @24AheadDotCom That's like saying Peter Dinklage is as good at basketball as Shaquille O'Neal if you control for height.

.@AlexNowrasteh @24AheadDotCom So what? Point is, they use more. You're just explaining WHY they use more (b/c they're poorer).

@Glaivester @24AheadDotCom Depression did that. Prior to ~1896 Dems were laissez-faire party. Imm support followed Dems, not ideology.

.@Glaivester @24AheadDotCom No, it makes it apples-to-apples. Means-tested welfare designed for poor people.

.@Glaivester @24AheadDotCom Again, your problem is with welfare, as is my problem. Maybe you should focus on that?

.@Glaivester @24AheadDotCom Great Society programs happened when immigration was at its lowest % in American history. Explain that.

.@AlexNowrasteh @24AheadDotCom The argument from your paper http://t.co/qnH9NatDNV argument seems to be that more immigration (1/3)

.@AlexNowrasteh @24AheadDotCom will shrink the welfare state by increasing racial animosity and resentment(2/3)

.@AlexNowrasteh @24AheadDotCom decreasing support for the welfare state. Yes, there's no way that can end badly. (3/3)

.@Glaivester @24AheadDotCom That's not my argument, that's a literature survey of other people's arguments that WE DO NOT FIND SUPPORT FOR.

.@AlexNowrasteh @24AheadDotCom That just explains why immigrants use more welfare (b/c they are poorer). Doesn't change fact that they do.

.@Glaivester @24AheadDotCom Again, relative to Americans who are eligible for it, they vastly under use. That should make you happy.

.@AlexNowrasteh @24AheadDotCom Except that more immigrants are eligible for it. That they underuse when you control for eligibility (1/3)

.@AlexNowrasteh @24AheadDotCom is only relevant if you adopt quotas so that %age of immigrants eligible is equal to (2/3)

.@SandraHartle @iResistAll: #5 has how to show @eveirecarolina wrong on her reconquista comments: http://24ahead.com/n/9628 #BoycottCoke

@24AheadDotCom @iResistAll @eveirecarolina Liberals including her are complete idiots, hanging on to old grudges they don't own.

@24AheadDotCom @iResistAll @eveirecarolina tired of stupid white women carrying my water, time for them to sit in corner and shut up.