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Amnesty/immigration "reform" talking points explained

Here are some links to our discussions of the talking points used by amnesty/comprehensive immigration reform supporters. See each link for a summary of the talking point, a description of why it's wrong or misleading, and examples of it being used by those supporters.

"Reform" supporters very rarely say anything new; one of our goals is to simply annotate news reports and editorials with links to the following discussions in order to save time:

  • reform not amnesty: discusses the claim that immigration "reform" isn't amnesty.
  • amnesty require: a Center for American Progress-inspired talking point designed to appeal to those who support our laws.
  • deportations false choice: many supporters offer a false choice between mass deportations and an amnesty, failing to mention attrition.
  • immigration line: some supporters claim that amnestied illegal aliens can get in the back of the line for citizenship, but the line doesn't really have an "end". Also discusses the impact that adding millions of new applicants would have both on legal immigrants and on the U.S.
  • immigration vulnerable: many supporters try to pull heartstrings by falsely claiming that illegal aliens are vulnerable; they fail to note that as a group Illegal aliens have a great deal of power because they have very powerful protectors including those who make this false claim.
  • welcome the stranger: a selective interpretation of the Bible; used by religious leaders and some others.
  • false compassion: many supporters falsely claim that "reform" is the humanitarian choice.
  • secure the border: some who claim they want border security are simply attempting to mislead.
  • immigration tradition fallacy: falsely claims that today's immigration is just lik that of earlier years (NEW)
  • nation of immigrants: related to the tradition fallacy above (NEW)

Additional talking points will be added to this list in the near future.

Other tags: explainer

Mon, 06/15/2009 - 17:05 · Importance: 6

Tue, 06/16/2009 - 02:51
Fred Dawes

WITH 100 Million enemies of freedom here within 5 years of mass race immigration for Red Reason of our so called political leaders the only talking point will be how to remove Americans from the USA. Facts nor political.race lies 50 million from mexico and south america 20 million Red Chinese and 10 million from other Red Chinese political lovers from asia 1 million so called europeans but most not white 8 million from africa and about 10 to 20 million from muslim counties many are political hate the whites of the USA And many will love Bin Laden but all race group will work from political power in all areas and will have the vote to make you a non citizen inside this so called Nation state and the start of making your kids into enemies of the political race state, but long before that the USA Will become 5 to 10 counties inside some BS domain something like the swat valley with you as the enemy.

Tue, 06/16/2009 - 04:19

Here's a good Biblical analysis on illegal immigration: http://theologica.blogspot.com/2009/06/what-does-bible-teach-on-immigration.html

Tue, 06/16/2009 - 07:58

Regarding amnesty, they will always attach some sort of conditions and/or penalties to make it seem like the aliens aren't getting a totally free pass. But in the end since they get to stay it's sort of like a bank robber who gets to keep the money. Perhaps also relevant is that they are self-selected, in violation of US law, which is supposed to do the selecting. And Americans should not be presented with such a fait accompli -- they have a right to not see their laws nullified in this way. And don't forget the resulting chain migration -- one estimate I saw said amnestying just the illegal Mexicans here could make an additional 20-30 million Mexicans eligible to come here over the following years.

Tue, 06/16/2009 - 09:00

It's a sad state of affairs that something so easily refuted has any prospects at all. '"Reform" supporters very rarely say anything new' Yeah, and it's not just a lack of new ideas--they usually use the exact same code words and phrases like 'out of the shadows'. 'inspired talking point designed to appeal to those who support our laws.' Also devious. Cynical. They should sponsor a contest: who can invent the most clever way to disguise our complete opposition to immigration law in a way that looks like we support it?

Tue, 06/16/2009 - 15:38

If 911 didn't make them control the borders, and disease didn't make them close the borders, and terrorism and the fear of a nuclear or anthrax attack doesn't make them close the borders, and the ongoing drug war and the thousands dead as a result doesn't make them close the borders ,and the gangs setting up shop in cities across the country to such an extent that Phoenix is now the 2nd largest kidnapping capitol of the world doesn't make them close the borders , then I think you can assume this country has been taken over by enemies of this country.

Wed, 06/17/2009 - 09:51

"And don't forget the resulting chain migration -- one estimate I saw said amnestying just the illegal Mexicans here could make an additional 20-30 million Mexicans eligible to come here over the following years. eh, you are an optimist. The first wave would be immediate family - spouse and kids. Next comes sick old parents and siblings (part 1). A bit later we get the spouse's sick old parents and siblings (part 2). Around the same time, we start geting the immediate families of the siblings (part 1) and then the immediate families of the siblings (part 2). Naturally the spouses of the siblings (part 1 & 2) are going to bring in THEIR sick old parents and siblings, who will then bring in THEIR immediate families and so on and so on and so on....... Now, sure, this won't happen overnight but it WILL happen. Keep in mind that once the initial no-longer-illegal-alien brings in the first sibling, this sibling can help him bring in the sick old parents and other siblings. Sort of a daisey-chain-migration-tag-team. Also bear in mind that not a single one of these people will be coming to the US for any reason other than that they are related to somebody here. And that the vast majority of them will have few job skills and so be a burden to the taxpayers. And that the taxpayers have zero say in this.

Wed, 06/17/2009 - 09:55

I left out one important point in my post above: The onslaught of Mexicans noted above will all have dual-citizenship.

Wed, 06/17/2009 - 14:12

Obama is doing his part to deliberately destroy The USA