Marco Rubio (FAQ, amnesty, immigration)
Marco Rubio is a U.S. senator from Florida and a strong supporter of immigration reform, aka legalizing illegal aliens, aka amnesty. In the beginning of 2012 he crafted his own plan to legalize younger illegal aliens, and at the end of 2012 and beginning of 2013 he began working with other politicians to craft a much broader amnesty.
The links after this summary have often extensive discussions of how his immigration plans won't work and will do great harm. Here are some questions and answers about his immigration stance:
Q. Would Rubio's immigration plan harm the U.S.?
A. Yes, his plan would greatly harm the U.S. See comprehensive immigration reform and the other links below.
Q. Is Rubio credible?
A. Not at all. See how Marco Rubio tries to deceive you.
Q. What can I do to help block Rubio's plan?
A. Help me discredit him. Help me discredit or try to turn any leader who supports his plan. See what I do in many of my tweets ( @24AheadDotCom_ ) and help out or do something similar. It's not difficult at all to search Twitter for those remaining few people who support Rubio, and then try to change their minds. In the case of leaders, try to use their support for Rubio to turn their followers against them. Occasionally CC one or two of his workers (list here) so they hear footsteps.
Q. Is Rubio's plan "amnesty"?
A. Yes and no. It's "amnesty" as used in the broad sense that most people use it: to mean a massive legalization program. This page and other posts here use "amnesty" in order to avoid typing "a massive legalization program for illegal aliens" over and over. However, in the formal context or when dealing with Rubio supporters, it's best not to use that term. See reform not amnesty. And, whenever you see Marco Rubio denying his plan is amnesty, recall this video of John McCain doing the same thing.
Q. Has Rubio aided Obama on immigration?
A. Yes, Marco Rubio greatly helped Obama on immigration.
Q. Who else supports Rubio's plan or at least his moves on immigration?
A. Those include: the Whitehouse, the National Council of La Raza, the New York Times, Frank Sharry (a leading amnesty promoter), and more.
Q. Is Rubio's plan conservative?
A. Not at all. Here are 10 ways it isn't conservative.
Q. Is Rubio's amnesty "humane"?
A. No: see false compassion.
Q. Are there any downsides to legalizing young illegal aliens as Rubio wants to do?
A. That plan has several huge downsides, such as depriving struggling Americans of college. See DREAM Act (the same dynamic applies no matter the details of a specific plan).
Q. Are there better alternatives for the GOP than Rubio's plan?
A. Immigration is one of the areas where the Democratic Party is weakest and what they want to do is least popular. Any Democrat who supports the anti-American DREAM Act could and should be discredited. Rather than discrediting people like Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, Dick Durbin, Rubio came up with his own variation on that anti-American bill.
Q. Are there better alternatives for the GOP than Rubio's plan?
A. Definitely: see attrition.
At the 11/10/15 GOP debate, Marco Rubio said, to wild applause, "I don't know why we have stigmatized vocational education. Welders make more money than philosophers. We need more welders and less philosophers." Transcript at , video below.
TheTeaParty.net supports immigration reform, secretly met with Jeb Bush (Herman Cain, Home Depot, Teaparty Express, TPNN) - 05/17/13
Over three years ago I asked if the Teaparty movement will stumble us into amnesty, and before then I pointed out that supporters of amnesty include those in the Teaparty sphere.
Tea Party fake patriots to help Marco Rubio push amnesty (immigration, Tea Party Express, TheTeaParty.Net, Norquist) - 05/07/13
Several conservative activists and tea party group leaders are meeting with Sen. Marco Rubio Tuesday afternoon to discuss immigration reform, including a list of what they support – and don’t.
In a draft of their seven principles, obtained by POLITICO, the groups make no calls for a ban on “amnesty” – a longtime rallying cry of conservatives grassroots groups.
Marco Rubio admits amnesty supporters will fight amnesty's "tough" enforcement provisions, but has no plan - 05/03/13
Marco Rubio admits that those who know support amnesty will fight the "tough" enforcement provisions in amnesty if it passes, but he has no plan to counter-act them.
From this (bolding added):
On the video below, Marco Rubio pretends that - if the Department of Homeland Security doesn't secure the border as promised under amnesty - states will be allowed to step in.
Hasn't he heard of Arizona?
The Democrats and others have fought tooth and nail for years to prevent states from enforcing immigration laws.
Does anyone in their right mind think they wouldn't do the same this time?
Here are excerpts of an email from the Tea Party "Patriots". Why their group and their new PAC is bogus will be discussed below:
My name is Jenny Beth Martin. I helped found Tea Party Patriots... ...Please become a charter supporter of the new Tea Party Patriots Citizens Fund PAC...
...Through the Tea Party Patriots Citizens Fund we are going to beat big-government Republicans in primaries and Obama-loving Democrats in the general election.
Marco Rubio leads smear campaign against anti-amnesty groups FAIR, NumbersUSA, and CIS (Mario Lopez, Alfonso Aguilar) - 02/14/13
A new battle has flared inside the Republican Party in recent days as supporters of more-liberal immigration laws wage a behind-the-scenes campaign to discredit the influential advocacy groups that have long powered the GOP's hard-line stance on the issue.
A few days ago, Pethokoukis offered "Is Rubio really about to ruin the Republican Party?" ( peekURL.com/zCrSvv4 ). A comment I left on that post pointing out he's wrong never appeared. Rather than keep you in suspense, here's what Pethokoukis doesn't want you to see :
A "Gang of Eight" senators have released the framework for a comprehensive immigration reform (aka amnesty) bill. The full text of the framework is below.
Radio host Mark Levin is potentially a supporter of Marco Rubio's plan to legalize millions of illegal aliens. You need to help make sure that Levin opposes amnesty.
The audio below is from an interview Levin did with Rubio on January 23, 2012. After several minutes of Rubio saying nothing new regarding his amnesty plan, Levin finally chimes in around the 8 minute mark:
Conservative bloggers who support amnesty (Rubio; Hot Air, Morrissey, Johnsen, Loesch, Moran, Mataconis...) - 01/21/13
This post will maintain a list of those supposed conservative bloggers who support some form of comprehensive immigration reform (aka amnesty), specifically the amnesty proposed by Marco Rubio. This post doesn't list GOP politicians or pundits, just bloggers and other low-level members of the GOP establishment.
Democrats, far-left praise Marco Rubio's immigration moves (NCLR; Sharry; IPC; Obama and Gutierrez spox) - 01/20/13
In a January 18, 2013 press release, Marco Rubio lists some of the supposed conservatives who support his immigration amnesty plan ( peekURL.com/zycdzeU ).
To be balanced, here are some positive mentions of his plan (or at least support for his actions on comprehensive immigration reform) from those Rubio should be opposing on immigration: the Democrats and the far-left.
Florida senator Marco Rubio recently described the outlines of his amnesty plan that would legalize millions of illegal aliens. As previously discussed, Rubio is either delusional, or he's trying to deceive. If you think his plan has any validity, make sure and see that link.
Senator Rubio is exactly right on the need to fix our broken immigration system. I support the principles he's outlined: modernization of our immigration laws; stronger security to curb illegal immigration; and respect for the rule of law in addressing the complex challenge of the undocumented population. Our future depends on an immigration system that works.
Claim: Mitt Romney said he won't flip flop on immigration at millionaires' meeting (Murdoch, Blankfein, Home Depot, Univision, Giuliani) - 07/02/12
This is all just hearsay, but it would be interesting if it turns out to be true :
Mitt Romney last week told a private group of potential supporters and business and media elites, including Rupert Murdoch, that he was treading carefully around the issue of immigration to avoid looking like a "flip-flopper."
I don't know if some third party writes the lines and talking points that illegal immigration supporters use, but sometimes it certainly seems that way.
Mitt Romney "agrees" with Marco Rubio in some way on anti-American DREAM Act; just how dumb or corrupt is Romney? - 06/15/12
Is Mitt Romney dumb, corrupt, or some combination of the two? Whatever it is, Romney is dumb and/or corrupt enough to come close to caving on the anti-American DREAM Act.
If Romney were smart and not corrupt, he'd oppose anti-American bills like the DREAM Act; see the link for how that bill would harm Americans, something you won't hear from the establishment media.
The Barack Obama administration has bypassed Congress and passed what amounts to the DREAM Act by executive fiat (link).
Sen. Marco Rubio (Fla.), the only Senate Republican of Hispanic heritage and a possible vice presidential pick, is working on an alternative version of the Development, Relief and Education for Alien Minors (DREAM) Act, which would grant legal status to illegal immigrants who came to the country at a young age and serve in the military or attend college...
"The second one that passed hit the right note. Yes."
Now, he's changed his tune and on Spanish-language TV (link):
"The law, how it is now, do you support it, yes or no?" Maria Elvira Salazar asked on Mega TV's Maria Elvira Live.
"I don't support states taking this into their own hands," Rubio replied. "I think this needs to be dealt with at the federal level. What I support is the change they made to the law, because that improved the law."
Needless to say, that's not a good sign vis-a-vis Rubio's commitment to immigration enforcement.
The tea party movement is a large, fractious confederation of Americans who are defined by what they are against. They are against the concentrated power of the educated class. They believe big government, big business, big media and the affluent professionals are merging to form self-serving oligarchy - with bloated government, unsustainable deficits, high taxes and intrusive regulation...
Over the course of this year, the tea party movement will probably be transformed. Right now, it is an amateurish movement with mediocre leadership. But several bright and polished politicians, like Marco Rubio of Florida and Gary Johnson of New Mexico, are unofficially competing to become its de facto leader. If they succeed, their movement is likely to outgrow its crude beginnings and become a major force in American politics. After all, it represents arguments that are deeply rooted in American history.
Please compare that with our tea parties summary. While the "partiers" might be popular in polls, that's only because most people aren't familiar with what they're really about and because they're an alternative to the two major parties. In a poll someone might support the tea parties, but tell them what would happen to them if libertarianism is imposed on them and they'll realize just how much the "partiers" are not on their side.
What we need is a smarter, more American, more mainstream group that would come up with pro-American solutions to the problems we face. The solutions offered by the "partiers" only serve the interests of the partiers themselves and those who are pulling their strings. They have little or no concern for the majority of Americans. That same group could oppose the corrupt elites, but would do so in smart and effective ways.
UPDATE: I'm aware that not all the "partiers" are libertarians. However, all or almost all of their leaders either lean in that direction, are outright big or small-"l" libertarians, are former Ron Paul supporters or activists, or - even worse - are Randroids. And, the entire tea party movement is steeped in libertarianism and strong fiscal conservatism to the exclusion of other topics. And, some of the string-pullers - such as Grover Norquist or Freedomworks support amnesty, illegal immigration, or just plain massive immigration. I'll support the tea parties when they expel the libertarians and the corrupt DC hacks and when they realize that there are people besides themselves in the U.S. and when they realize that not everyone who disagrees with them is a traitor and a Communist and when they realize that their flamboyant techniques aren't effective. And, yes, that means I'll never support them.