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Ask Doug Hoffman these immigration questions

Dede Scozzafava has withdrawn from the NY-23 race in upstate New York, leaving conservative and tea parties favorite Doug Hoffman squaring off against Democrat Bill Owens; the odds are speculated about here. As it turns out, the supposed insurgent conservative candidate appears to be weak on immigration matters (see also this update based on his comments about this issue), meaning that if he wins he might support guest workers and perhaps even an amnesty; both of those would lead to additional spending, higher taxes for his supporters, and reduced long-term political power for his supporters. Pointing that out to as many people as possible in as public a way as possible would have an impact on the election, and the best way to do that is to go to his public appearances and ask him the questions below on video. That video can then be uploaded to Youtube and similar sites where his supporters can see it; see the question authority summary for an action plan.

For Owens supporters, getting a video like that would reduce Hoffman's position with his base. For Hoffman supporters, getting a video like that might encourage him to drop his apparent Bush/RINO-like position on this issue.

A few questions follow, and see the immigration questions for Republicans for more:

1. Would you support comprehensive immigration refom under some circumstances? If so, please specify the exact circumstances and pre-conditions under which you'd support "reform".

2. Do you support the DREAM Act? (If he says yes, ask him the question at the link. If he doesn't know what that is, explain it to him in a slightly condescending but not counter-productive tone.)

3. Do you support AgJOBS? If so, please provide detailed responses to the critics of that amnesty.

4. What do you think about the National Council of La Raza?

5. If you support "guest" workers, can you answer my question?

Sat, 10/31/2009 - 15:57 · Importance: 4

Sun, 11/01/2009 - 23:25
Fred Dawes
www.myspace.com/freddawes1776/

ask hoffman why the LAPD Is not reporting crimes? In fact the cops would be called racists if a cop reported gang crimes if that crime is not on the PC List. yes people the boys in blue cannot report criminals act's against non gang guys. this is going on all over the USA Here is a PC RAPE..white woman age 15 raped by 10 to 20 hispanics the police arrest 3 but DA Will not file court acion so all go free! get what i am saying boys!

Mon, 11/02/2009 - 15:49
Alex

Why do most restrictionists not embrace Hoffman's, and therefore Reagan's, immigration policy? Also, the post's idiotic claims that immigrants cost more than they contribute is rebutted by the The New Americas: Economic, Demographic, and Fiscal Effects of Immigration 1997 studdy by the National Research Council and the 2007 Economic Report of the President.

Mon, 11/02/2009 - 15:57
24AheadDotCom
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Well, "Alex", the post doesn't really say that explicitly, but I gets it's a fair cop to say that it does so implicitly. Perhaps you'd care to tell we Californians about the economic wonder of massive immigration. Or, you can tell us whether the study you mention goes into *all* the costs, including non-financial costs such as the cost of giving additional power inside the U.S. to foreign governments, the cost of giving more power to far-left racial power groups, and so on. All those are definitely costs, yet few (or no) studies take them into account.

Mon, 11/02/2009 - 17:25
eh

Hey Alex: Per capita income in state is expected to sink over 20 years - Growth in poorly educated population is blamed in study [1] _Californians' per capita income will drop 11 percent over the first two decades of this century unless the state closes the educational gap of its expanding Latino population, a nonpartisan research center forecast in a report released today...Latinos are the fastest-growing segment of the state's population and work force, and among the least-educated, said the National Center for Public Policy and Higher Education...According to 2000 census figures, in the 25-to-64 age group, 52 percent of Latinos lacked a high school diploma, compared with 8 percent of non-Latino whites, and 12 percent of Latinos had a college degree, compared with 46 percent of whites._ And statistics show that Hispanics are about 4x as likely as native Whites to go to prison. So explain how importing huge numbers of educationally challenged and less law-abiding Hispanics is a good thing?

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[1] www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2005/11/09/BAG92FL9BD1.DTL

Mon, 11/02/2009 - 18:27
Michael Smith

_And statistics show that Hispanics are about 4x as likely as native Whites to go to prison._ Can you give us a citation to back up that assertion? Thanks.

Mon, 11/02/2009 - 19:20
eh

The prevalence of imprisonment in 2001 was higher for...black males (16.6%) and Hispanic males (7.7%) than for white males (2.6%) [1] 2001 is a long time ago; the federal government should really update its data. Nationally, Hispanics are on average 3.7 times as likely as whites to be imprisoned. [2] Anecdotally. [3] As some sources mention, tracking this is often made more difficult by the fact the government often classifies Hispanics/Latinos as white. But I don't think there can be any doubt that Hispanics, as a demographic group, ARE SIGNIFICANTLY MORE CRIMINAL THAN WHITES -- they fall somewhere between Blacks and Whites. And since in some areas they are, due to heavy, and often uncontrolled, i.e. illegal, immigration practically a replacement population, this would seem to be problem.

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[1] www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/crimoff.htm
[2] vdare.com/sailer/050213_mapping.htm
[3] ag.ca.gov/wanted/mostwanted.php?fid=mostWantedFugitives_2009-01

Mon, 11/02/2009 - 20:33
eh

Table 10. Estimated number of inmates held in state or federal prison or in local jails per 100,000 residents, by gender, race, Hispanic origin, and age, June 30, 2007 [1] Looking at this table: 773 Whites/100k, and 1747 Hispanics/100k were estimated to be imprisoned nationally. So there are roughly 2.5x as many Hispanics in jail as Whites per 100k population. U.S. Hispanic population to triple by 2050 [2] Looking at the table, we can say that nationally Whites outnumber Hispanics by approx 4:1. So if criminality rates were the same, we'd expect the ratio of those imprisoned to be about the same: 4:1, meaning 4x as many Whites in jail as Hispanics, including per 100k population. Yet from the first link there are instead 2.5x (estimated) as many Hispanics as Whites in jail per 100k population, whereas it should be, based on the aggregate national population data, one quarter (0.25) as many (we ignore any corrections for age and/or sex -- e.g. Hispanics are probably, on average, younger, and younger people are generally more criminal for all ethnicities). 2.5 / .25 = 10, so just going by this raw data, I would say Hispanics are, nationally, 10x as likely as Whites to be in jail. Which is probably somewhat too high.

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[1] www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/pim07.pdf
[2] www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2008-02-11-population-study_N.htm

Mon, 11/02/2009 - 23:12
Fred Dawes
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eh it will not be 2050 but by 2030 will be the main population whites and blacks will disappear by 2080.

Tue, 11/03/2009 - 04:36
eh

"Other" [1] Meaning Hispanics are not always labeled as Hispanic. And for the record, I don't think the 10x figure is accurate -- it is less than that. Fred is right, especially if illegals, most of whom are Hispanic, are given amnesty and then allowed to bring relatives. I saw one estimate that amnestying just illegal Mexicans would make an additional 30m Mexicans eligible to come to the US over time via family reunification.

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[1] webapps6.doc.state.nc.us/opi/viewoffender.do?method=view&offenderID=0766394&searchLastName=gonzalez&searchFirstName=marcos&listurl=pagelistoffendersearchresults&listpage=1

Tue, 11/03/2009 - 05:50
Steve

Uh, Alex needs a reality check. The National Research Council concluded that the benefits to native born Americans of immigration is "miniscule", equal to about only 1/10 or 2/10 of 1% of income. This is because the increase in economic activity goes to the immigrants themselves in the form of wages and benefits (billions of which are sent out of the country). Most importantly, the tiny economic benefit was entirely erased by the fiscal drain immigrants households imposed on taxpayers. And of course, amnesty for illegals would be a terrible drain on taxpayers, a net cost of at least $2.6 TRILLION based on an extensive Heritage Foundation study in 2007. This is why if Reagan was still in charge, he wouldn't listen to Schumer again, and wouldn't repeat his 1986 IRCA mistake.

Fri, 11/06/2009 - 05:08
Fred Dawes
www.myspace.com/freddawes1776/

Thank you steve, Reagan is the guy who started all this BS AND the big money people love him so much its a joke and so many still don't get what he did to millions of the poor and working people in fact obama has a picture of Reagan in his bedroom and hell who started this BS You see today its our boy reagan. someday he will be in some third world history book 200 years from now and will be called great monkey guy. it will keep going until not one American is living inside the USA. Buy Guns some day soon I with others will be arrested for writing that.