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Mitt Romney to CEOs: scare your employees into voting for me (in so many words) - 10/18/12

The audio below has Mitt Romney telling a group of businessmen (in so many words) that they should scare their employees into voting for him.

It was recorded at a June 6, 2012 National Federation for Independent Business townhall. On the audio, Romney says:

Mel Martinez: Romney won't support attrition as president ("self deport", Jeb Bush, Kobach) - 08/28/12

The video below (cached) shows Mel Martinez - a member of Mitt Romney's Hispanic Steering Committee - commenting on Romney's immigration position if he becomes president.

Asked if Romney will stay with his last-known position in support of attrition - aka "self-deport" - Martinez says:

Paul Ryan is bad on immigration, find out how much (Mitt Romney VP pick) - 08/11/12

Paul Ryan - Mitt Romney's choice for running mate - is on the wrong side of the immigration issue. Not only would he harm middle- and working-class Americans and help the wealthy in direct economic ways, but he'd do the same on the immigration front as well.

Paul Ryan: Mitt Romney's VP pick - 08/11/12

Rep. Paul Ryan will reportedly be Mitt Romney's choice for vice presidential running mate. If true, that decision is nearly insane.

Susana Martinez is bad on immigration, supports amnesty and a DREAM Act plan (Mitt Romney, New Mexico) - 05/15/12

New Mexico governor Susana Martinez appeared to be somewhat OK on immigration in the past: she opposed drivers licenses for illegal aliens and the DREAM Act.

Michael Tomasky: Mitt Romney is "too white" for Hispanics (Daily Beast) - 04/26/12

Remember "Obama is black and we worry those whites (who are all racists except for us) won't vote for him" stories from four+ years ago?

At the Daily Beast, Michael Tomasky offers the unaware, modern-day version of those stories (link):

Mitt Romney already weakening immigration position? - 04/02/12

Laura Meckler of the Wall Street Journal offers some more evidence that Mitt Romney might be weakening his somewhat favorable immigration position in preparation for the general election (link).

Carl Cannon's corrupt, misleading pitch for Marco Rubio (Real Clear Politics Washington Editor) - 04/01/12

Carl Cannon - Washington editor of RealClearPolitics - offers the corrupt and misleading "Romney Needs a Latino Running Mate -- But Who?" (link).

Questions for Marc Thiessen about Marco Rubio (Washington Post, American Enterprise Institute) - 03/26/12

Marc Thiessen of the American Enterprise Institute writes a column for the Washington Post and this week he offers "The Great Whisperer" (link) about a supposed whispering campaign against

GOP debate February 22, 2012 (Arizona, CNN, Romney, Gingrich, Santorum, Ron Paul) - 02/22/12

The worthless GOP debates move into a new month with yet another worthless debate tonight.


Antonio Villaraigosa to attack Mitt Romney on immigration (racist dog whistle?) - 02/08/12

From [1]:

Los Angeles Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa, a Democrat, plans to dig into Mitt Romney in a speech on immigration reform Wednesday, when he will call the candidate's rhetoric and anti-immigrant endorsers "beyond the pale."

GOP debate January 26, 2012 (CNN, Romney, Gingrich, Santorum, Ron Paul) - 01/26/12

Yet another worthless GOP debate happens tonight.


Republican debate January 19, 2012 (South Carolina, CNN, Romney, Gingrich, Santorum, Ron Paul) - 01/19/12

Brace yourself for yet one more worthless GOP debate. It starts today, January 19 at 9pm Eastern.



WHERE: South Carolina

GOP Presidential Debate January 16, 2012 (Fox News, WSJ, South Carolina, Romney, Gingrich, Santorum, Perry, Ron Paul) - 01/16/12

Yet still one more worthless GOP debate starts today, January 16 at 9pm Eastern.


PARTNERS: Fox and the Wall Street Journal (see the link).

MODERATOR: Bret Baier.

Republican Presidential Debate January 8, 2012 (NBC News, Facebook, New Hampshire, Romney, Gingrich, Santorum, Perry, Ron Paul, Huntsman, David Gregory) - 01/08/12

The second worthless GOP debate of 2012 starts today, January 8 at 9am Eastern. This is apparently the first morning debate of this presidential campaign season, but don't expect it to be any different from all the others. You can watch the debate live on Facebook, but it will also be shown on NBC later in the day depending on your location (reportedly the same time slot as Meet the Press).


Iowa Republican Presidential Debate December 10, 2011 (ABC News, GOP, Iowa Caucus, Gingrich, Romney, Perry, Ron Paul, Bachmann, Santorum, Diane Sawyer, George Stephanopoulos, Drake U) - 12/10/11

Yet another worthless GOP debate takes place tonight with what will be sold as the most important debate so far. That's because it will take place in Iowa a few weeks before the Iowa Caucus.

MODERATORS: George Stephanopoulos and Diane Sawyer

CBS Republican Presidential Debate November 12, 2011 (South Carolina, GOP, Romney, Cain, Perry, Ron Paul, Bachmann, Gingrich, Santorum, Graham, DeMint) - 11/12/11

We just had yet another worthless GOP debate three days ago, but tonight there's yet another one. This time CBS News will be the one asking the weak questions at a debate at Wofford College in Spartanburg, South Carolina. It's set to kick off at 8pm Eastern.

CNBC Republican Presidential Debate November 9, 2011 (Detroit, GOP, Romney, Cain, Perry, Ron Paul, Bachmann, Gingrich, Santorum) - 11/09/11

Tonight CNBC is conducting yet another in a very long line of worthless debates, this time a GOP debate in Detroit in conjunction with Oakland University. Feel free to leave comments below before, during or after the debate. This post will be updated after a transcript becomes available.

CNN Republican Presidential Debate October 18, 2011 (Las Vegas, GOP, Romney, Cain, Perry, Ron Paul, Bachmann, Gingrich, Santorum) - 10/18/11

Tonight CNN will be conducting yet another of their worthless debates, this time a GOP debate in Las Vegas in conjunction with the Western Republican Leadership Conference (WRLC). Show time is at 8pm Eastern, 5pm Pacific. Feel free to leave comments below before, during or after the debate. This post will be updated after a transcript becomes available.

Bloomberg/WaPo GOP debate, October 11, 2011 (Perry, Romney, Cain, Bachmann...) - 10/11/11

Tonight Bloomberg and the Washington Post will be conducting yet another worthless GOP debate. Feel free to leave comments below before, during or after the debate. This post will be updated after a transcript becomes available. This debate stands to be just as bad and as much of a public disservice as all the others.

Fox News/Youtube GOP debate, September 22, 2011 (Perry, Romney, Bachmann...) - 09/22/11

Tonight Fox News will be conducting a GOP debate in conjunction with Youtube, with some of the questions to be asked having been submitted via Youtube. Feel free to leave comments below before, during or after the debate. This post will be updated after a transcript becomes available. This debate stands to be just as bad and as much of a public disservice as all the others, especially considering the involvement of Youtube.

AttackWatch misleads about Obama's immigration amnesty (Adam Serwer, Politifact) - 09/14/11

The latest "Internet laughing stock" (link) is the new Democratic Party site at which concerned citizens can report rumors and supposed lies about Barack Obama.

Teaparty shouts "yeah!" to just letting the uninsured die (Ron Paul, CNN, GOP debate) - 09/13/11

Last year, Teapartiers threw dollars bills at and mocked a Parkinson's victim (see the video on tea parties). Their encore was at last night's GOP debate where at least two teapartiers shouted "Yeah!" on whether to allow the uninsured to just die. Video below. Yes, it was just two or three teapartiers, but it's an illustration of the teapartier mindset and where libertarian policies lead.

CNN Teaparty GOP debate: September 12, 2011 (Rick Perry, Romney, Bachmann, Ron Paul) - 09/12/11

Tonight CNN will be conducting a GOP debate in conjunction with the Teaparty Express organization. Feel free to leave comments below before, during or after the debate. This post will be updated after a transcript becomes available.

Michele Bachmann ad slams Rick Perry on immigration - 09/12/11

The video below is a new Michelle Bachmann ad slamming Rick Perry for his immigration position. As you can probably tell, it's a radio ad for the South, specifically South Carolina.

Three reasons Obama will win in 2012: Bachmann, Romney, and Perry - 08/14/11

Despite his popularity dropping below 40%, Barack Obama stands an excellent chance of being re-elected. And, there are three reasons for that:

GOP debate open thread: Monday, June 13, 2011 (CNN /WMUR /New Hampshire Union Leader) - 06/13/11

Tonight at 8pm Eastern, seven declared or possible GOP presidential candidates will debate at New Hampshire's St. Anselm College. Feel free to leave your comments about the debate below; some live coverage might also be provided. When a transcript is available I'll highlight the immigration-related parts in an update.

Those debating are (see each link for more):

Coverage of Republican 2012 presidential candidates - 06/11/11

The following is a list of the current or possible GOP candidates for president in 2012. See each link for our coverage on each candidate or potential candidate. You can mouseover the link to see how many posts there are.

War on Electability: FreedomWorks to oppose Mitt Romney; what the GOP can do (Tea Party) - 05/25/11

Freedomworks is going to actively try to prevent Mitt Romney from getting the GOP nomination [1]. I'm not a fan, but Romney is one of the few electable current or potential candidates. So, the tea parties - controlled in large part by Freedomworks even if they don't know it - might bring their NY-26 magic to the national stage and help elect Barack Obama to four more years.

What the GOP can do about this is to declare "war" on Freedomworks right back:

1. Somehow, some way make an argument that libertarian-oriented policies (or the LibertarianLite version that teapartiers favor) just don't work. It's extremely easy to show that libertarian ideas are the stuff of rainbows and unicorns. The hard part is presenting it in a way that isn't automatically rejected by the teapartiers, who have a very unhealthy mix of emotional failings. In this, the GOP would need to consult the top psychologists in the U.S.

2. (Legally) buy people off. Give slots on Fox News to leading teapartiers to force them into line. I wouldn't do that myself, but that is one way the GOP and their helpers operate.

3. Turn one teaparty group against another or distract them in other ways with shiny objects. To an extent that's already happening; take steps to increase it.

4. Help discredit those who push the teapartiers. That includes bloggers such as Glenn Reynolds and pundits like Michael Barone.

5. And, most importantly of all, help discredit Freedomworks to the teaparty base. That isn't that difficult either since the head of the organization, Dick Armey, supports illegal immigration.

While most of the teaparty base opposes illegal immigration, the teapartiers as a whole have been very quiet about the issue. If the GOP elevated immigration to the key issue it is (much more vital and fundamental than spending) and used that against those like Armey and other teaparty leaders, they could help the U.S. while helping themselves.

[1] Huffington Post link:

[Freedomworks] knows they cannot impose their will on the fiercely independent conservative organizers fueling the Tea Party. But they say the activist base is just as anti-Romney as they are.

(Matt Kibbe) said in an interview that FreedomWorks has no plans at the moment to endorse an opponent of Romney’s in the primary. But others in the organization made clear they will devote considerable resources toward helping whoever emerges as the most viable Republican in the primary other than the putative front runner.

Brendan Steinhauser, who travels around the country meeting with activists as FreedomWorks’ top liaison to the grassroots, said most people he talks to are “definitely trying to stop Romney.”

“I don’t think I’ve met any groups or any local activists that like him or want him to be president,” Steinhauser said. “They just don’t believe he’s authentic. That’s the biggest problem in addition to the health care thing.”

Rick Santorum gives Democrats a pass on immigration - 05/06/11

At last night's GOP debate, Rick Santorum gave the Democrats a pass on immigration - the issue where they're most vulnerable. Not only that, but he might have exposed a weakness on the immigration issue that's worse than just giving the Democrats a pass.

Here's what Santorum said:

The president had a year where he had control of the legislature could have passed any bill he wanted. They didn't take a vote in the senate and never proposed a bill this is a political issue for the president. He's playing political games with a very important group of people in America. We need to stop the political games and get the solutions. That's not what they are doing in Washington.

So, what's wrong with that? Let's see:

1. Santorum is falsely assuming that we need some form of major legislation. He isn't going after the root of the problem: we don't need new major legislation so much as we need the current laws to be enforced. Santorum isn't concentrating on why the current laws aren't enforced and he isn't taking actions that would make it more likely that they're enforced.

2. Santorum isn't going after the Democrats where they're weakest. For instance, in their response to his comments [1], the Democrats point out how it was the Republicans who blocked the DREAM Act. That's a *good thing*, but Santorum is acting like it was a bad thing. The DREAM Act is an openly anti-American bill that would allow the illegal aliens covered by it to take college educations from U.S. citizens. Instead of pointing out that the Democrats want to take college educations away from U.S. citizens in order to give them to the illegal aliens covered by the bill, Santorum is (falsely) pretending that the Democrats were the roadblock to that bill.

3. Santorum is implicitly supporting Hispanic ethnic nationalism and he's assuming that all Hispanics are the same; not all Hispanics support illegal immigration. Instead of calling on Hispanics - Cuban-Americans, Mexican-Americans, Puerto Ricans, etc. - to support our laws and calling out the far-left ethnic nationalists among them (Luis Gutierrez, Bill Richardson, etc.) who support illegal activity, Santorum is assuming that all oppose our laws and do so out of ethnic solidarity.

The debate - as have all the other presidential debates - was a waste of time that did not do a public service. And, Santorum didn't rise above it.

[1] The Democrat's response is at
fact_check_santorum_on_immigration, which includes among other "fact checks", this AP headling:

AP: Senate Republicans Doomed An Effort That Would Have Given Hundreds Of Thousands Of Young Immigrants A Path To Legal Status After They Voted To Block The DREAM Act. [AP, 12/20/10]

Gary Johnson is still incredibly wrong on immigration (GOP debate) - 05/06/11

If you've been following along with my coverage of former New Mexico governor Gary Johnson, you already know that he's incredibly wrong on immigration. If you haven't been following along, see his name's link for my detailed discussion of why he's wrong, such as the questions I asked him on Twitter that he refused to answer.

Tim Pawlenty's crazy Tea Party outreach - 03/01/11

Former Minnesota governor Tim Pawlenty is reaching out to the tea parties and doing it in big, crazy ways. Over the weekend, he appeared at the Teaparty "Patriots" summit in Phoenix, Arizona and said among other things this completely false statement (video: ):

"I'm here to say thank you for standing up to the ruling class" [meaning: "liberal power brokers, guardians of the status quo and the royal triangle of greed: big government, big unions and big bailed-out businesses"]

In fact, the teapartiers are having their strings pulled by one set of the "ruling class", specifically the Koch family and those who fund Dick Armey of FreedomWorks. They're mostly pawns of one very wealthy group against another, and they aren't opposing the "ruling class" on issues where the "ruling class" is aligned.

No Teaparty "policy" (to the extent that they articulate specific policy ideas at all) would discomfort the "ruling class", and none of their actions would take on the "ruling class". If they wanted to actually take on the "ruling class", they'd highlight issues like immigration and trade rather than ignoring them or being on the wrong side [1]. And, instead of acting like children and waving loopy signs or playing dress-up, they'd find the few smart people among them to do things like question authority.

But, wait, there's much more and it gets crazy.

Now, Pawlenty has released the video below. It includes someone playing dress-up at :15 (the tricorner hat), a Gadsden flag at :22, and a "ram it down our throat/we'll shove it up your ass in November" sign at :25. Then, it gets even more nuts with portions of a Pawlenty speech:

"We, the people of the United States, will rise up again. We will take back our government. This is our country. Our Founding Fathers created it. Americans embraced it. Ronald Reagan personified it. And Lincoln stood courageously to protect it. Now as ever, this nation under God should have a new birth of freedom. Our government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth. And America will remain the greatest country the world has ever known."

Memo to Pawlenty: we are not in a Red Dawn scenario. And, the idea that teapartiers are the only True Americans is implicitly anti-American: those who pretend to be True American Patriots think everyone else isn't a patriot. Pawlenty and his teaparty buddies are denying election results and are no better than those who used phrases like "pResident Bush". Of course, whether he actually believes any of this isn't clear. But, it's clear that he isn't fit to be president of the U.S. since he doesn't think that anyone who isn't in the teaparties is a legitimate American.

[1] At the Teaparty "Patriots" conference in Arizona where Pawlenty spoke just 4% of their events were about immigration despite that state being the immigration epicenter in recent months. And, out of four panelists at one of those sessions, one was Ali Noorani and two others support comprehensive immigration reform. The position of the fourth is unknown.