Another observation that proves the above, is that the number of foreign criminals permanently deported per year, has been, and always will be, different each year. Thus, the number of proven alternatives to the false dilemna used so fallaciously and dishonestly by the traitorous antidefenders of our borders, grows every year. There also do not appear, even as years and decades pass, any death camps in which are to be found, the bodies of deportees from America being consumed in furnaces. They cannot use reasonable or practical arguments on this issue. If they did, the consideration of the aggression on the net taxpayer would have to be addressed; but there is no rational justification for tolerance of such aggression. Even to allow the mention of the net taxpayers' liability, is fatal to the cause of mass immigration into the welfare state.

It means also that rational agumentation cannot be used in support of tolerating a foreign criminal presence of this magnitude. If rational persuasion to such views were possible, it would not be necessary to use the gross fallacies which keep resurfacing, in spite of having been refuted so easily and frequently. The strawman is a false dilemna, slippery slope smear approach. Removing 8,000,000 foreign criminals in a few months, and sending them to that death camp known as Mexico, ~or~ letting the bad times roll with amnesties and nonenforcement, are so easily shown not to be our only alternatives. We could permanently deport, or cause to self-deport, 1, 1.1, 1.2, 1.3, 1.4, 1.5, 1.6,1.7, 1.8, 1.9 million foreign criminals a year(=10 alternatives,not 2). The main point to note is that the open borders advocates have to lie; therefore reason is not on their side.

In order to get around the "amnesty" label, John McCain is saying adjusted illegal aliens will have to pay a "fine".

Lets see, each illegal alien depresses Americans wages by $10,000 a year, according to George Borjas, Harvard economist. Also, their family members use over $5000 a year more in benefits than they pay in taxes. If they get adjusted, this amount will increase. So is every "adjusted" illegal alien and/or their employer going to pay $20,000 a year in penalties, both for the years they have been here, and all the years they will remain? Anything less is ripping off Americans for the benefit of greedy employers.

The mass deportation of millions is an unattractive and highly unlikely scenario(and one that conjures up images of the Trail of Tears oe even the mass deportations of Jews to the "East")so this is the strawman the OBL(open borderslobby) and the disingenuous Bush-McCain Republicans labor against. The alternatives of border security that is not a hoax, the return of interior enforcemnent (accompanied with a tamper proof SS card and mandatory on-line workplace verification)is "somehow" ignored. With the kind of enforcement that could easily introduced the vast majority of illegals (as mentioned above) would self-deport over time.

Actually, it is practical to deport millions of illegal aliens, so long as you don't try to do it all in one year. Their incentives to stay can be removed, so that they leave or selfdeport, as was said. What is not practical is to increase the problem by legalizing them; practicality requires that there be a continual reduction in their number. The net public subsidy of low income populations means that it is not practical to increase their number by tolerating illegal immigration; likewise the national security considerations. America's current account deficit is over $500 billion; we can't be lady bountiful as if it came from our own production, and the amount thrown down the foreign criminal rathole could be increased. Such policies are not practical; our senators do not have a vote on the policies of the Bank of Japan. It is impractical to think that they can just throw away increasing deficits on these foreign criminals, and expect foreign central banks to always come up with more money.