The following is the transcript of the October 2, 2010 debate on Univision between Jerry Brown and Meg Whitman. It was originally at the Fresno Bee but they've since deleted it. I took the copy below from this page and removed his commentary. As far as I know this is an accurate copy of the transcript, but I can't verify that since no other sites seem to have it.

Here are some comments on the debate.

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MW = Meg Whitman
JB = Jerry Brown
MES = Maria Elena Salinas
SV = Sayra Vasquez
DI = David Ibarra
VO = Voice over

MES: WHAT DOES YOUR OUTREACH PROGRAM FOR LATINOS CONSIST OF, AND WHY SHOULD THEY VOTE FOR YOU? WE BEGIN WITH MS. WHITMAN.

MW: Well, first, thank you very much for coming today. Thank you to Univision. Thank you to Fresno State for hosting this debate. This is my 14th trip to Fresno since I referred to it as ‘awful.. another Detroit’ started running for governor, and I am delighted to be here today. The Latino vote is incredibly important to this election… I have been in the private sector for 30 years, and my number one priority is getting Californians back to work, keeping good, new jobs in California, and then second is fixing our K through 12 education system. If we do not turn around our education system, there will be no hope for the children of California, and many Latinos live in communities where the high school graduation rate is 50 percent or even less. So I am deeply focused on two things that I think matter most to Latinos, but frankly to all Californians. And if I am elected governor, I give you my commitment that I will focus on delivering better jobs, a better economy, and a better K through 12 education system.

MES: MR. BROWN, THE SAME QUESTION. WHAT IS YOUR OUTREACH PROGRAM FOR LATINOS AND WHY SHOULD THEY VOTE FOR YOU?

JB: Thank you very much. It’s a pleasure to be here in Fresno and speaking to this large Latino audience probably all around the world if not certainly all around California. My outreach really starts with my long record. I don’t come at this as something just in the last year or two. When I was governor of California, I signed the first agricultural labor relations law in the country that empowered mostly undocumented people to be able to pick by a secret ballot the advocate of their choice, the union of their choice, and I’m not ashamed of the fact that people, particularly when they’re poor and when they don’t have power, and they don’t even speak English, they need a strong lawyer advocate standing in their corner, and that’s exactly what the farm labor bill did. I worked very closely with Cesar Chavez and I’m very proud of that. Then when I became governor, I worked before I was governor and then during that time, and then I appointed to the California Supreme Court the first Latino ever. I also appointed Mario Oledo to head up the largest department and agency of state government, and that was an indication of an early commitment, and right along, I have been very sensitive to the fact that the Latino presence is growing. When my father was governor it was probably eight percent, and now when I was governor it kept rising to 15 percent. Now it’s a third. I will do the best I can to find jobs, but also to be fair. I’m going to treat everybody, whether they’re documented or not, as God’s child, and my brothers and sisters–
MES: TIME’S UP, MR. BROWN. TIME’S UP. BUT HOWEVER, PERHAPS YOU DID NOT RESPOND EXACTLY TO THE QUESTION. WHAT IS YOUR OUTREACH PROGRAM? WE KNOW THAT THIS WAS BEFORE, BUT–RIGHT NOW, WHAT IS YOUR AGENDA?

JB: Thank for clarifying that. The outreach program is an office in all 58 counties with hundreds–thousands of people working in cooperation with the Democratic Party. We are present. My campaign for governor is everywhere, in the valley, in the south, in the north. We will be there. Anyone who wants to participate just call your local Democratic party or call Brown for governor, go to our webpage. You will find a friend, an ally and somebody who will engage you in this campaign.

MES: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. NEXT QUESTION. CALIFORNIA HAS AN UNEMPLOYMENT RATE OF 12.4 PERCENT COMPARED TO 9.6 NATIONWIDE. HISPANIC CALIFORNIANS HAVE AN EVEN HIGHER UNEMPLOYMENT RATE OF 14.9 PERCENT. MR. BROWN, YOU PROPOSED A CLEAN ENERGY PLAN THAT WOULD CREATE 500,000 NEW JOBS. MS. WHITMAN, YOU PROMISED TO CREATE TWO MILLION JOBS IN FIVE YEARS. IF YOU ARE ELECTED GOVERNOR HOW WOULD YOU CREATE THE MILLIONS OF JOBS YOU ARE PROMISING, AND HOW WOULD HISPANICS BENEFIT IN THE SHORT TERM? MR. BROWN.

JB: Thank you. Look, there’s nothing more important than jobs, and there’s nothing more tragic than when someone loses their job. It’s bad for the family, bad for the breadwinner, and this is something I feel very deeply about. As governor I created the California Conservation Corps, which gave young men and women the chance to work on environmental projects and public works. And since that time over 100,000 people have gone through the program. In California itself during my years, 1,970,000 individuals received jobs. That was new jobs created. Now, going forward, we can power our factories, we can retrofit our buildings, we can build transmission lines, solar collectors, geothermal, wind machines. California was the leader in renewable energy. Now we’re behind Ireland and Texas and China. I believe we can be the leader again. How do you pay for that? You pay for it in the same way we pay for any other electric plan, through the public utilities, through the utility bill there’s literally billions and my plan is very precise, 20,000 megawatts of new renewable energy, and to do that by 2020. That will create the 500,000 jobs. I’m not talking just about a few jobs in the desert; I’m talking about retrofitting all the buildings in California, the commercial, the residential, putting young people to work. And whoever’s out of work, this is a major public works project, and on top of that, I’m for the high speed rail project. That will create hundreds of thousands of jobs. My opponent doesn’t believe that we ought to build that great project.

Please. This is complete nonsense. We want to know how you are going to RESTORE the economy to what it was -- and spare is the Van Jones pie-in-the-sky green fluff]

MES: MS. WHITMAN, THE SAME QUESTION FOR YOU. HOW WOULD YOU CREATE THE MILLIONS OF JOBS THAT YOU HAVE PROMISED AND HOW WOULD THE LATIN COMMUNITY BE BENEFITED AT THE SHORT TERM?
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MW: Well, you’re right. I have a very detailed plan to create two million new jobs private-sector jobs by 2015. And here’s how we’re gonna do this. First of all, we have to be competitive with other states, so we’ve gotta reduce taxes, we have to streamline regulations and we have to compete for those jobs. And I’ll tell you a little story. I was in Los Angeles not too long ago and met a young man who wanted to open a pizza restaurant. He said, I have saved up for six months ’cause I know it’s gonna take six months to get the permits for my pizza restaurant. I said, six months for permits for a pizza restaurant? He said, yes. That’s what it’s going to take. In the end, it took him 12 months. He opened his store, but of course, was a bit in the hole financially. So we’re going to streamline regulation. I wanna make it easier for small business, not harder for small business and that’s gonna be a focus of my administration. We’re also gonna cut taxes. One I’m very excited about is eliminating the factory tax in California. We have to hold on to manufacturing in California. If we do not, we will lose the very soul of this state. I was at Allfast the other day, which is the largest manufacturer of airplane rivets in the entire United States. Who knew there were three million rivets on a Boeing 747? But they’re — in California, they’re hanging on here, but they need an elimination of the factory tax. They need R&D tax credits, they need some tax cuts to stay in California. And because I have been in business for 30 years, I know a lot about what small businesses need to grow and thrive and I think that will be a very important…

MES: NEXT QUESTION. IN CALIFORNIA, NEARLY ONE IN EVERY EIGHT HOMES IS CURRENTLY IN FORECLOSURE. THAT REPRESENTS 702,000 HOMES. STUDIES SHOW THAT 48 PERCENT OF ALL FORECLOSURES IN THE STATE INVOLVE LATINOS. IF ELECTED GOVERNOR, WHAT CONCRETE STEPS WILL YOU TAKE TO HELP CALIFORNIA FAMILIES WHO HAVE LOST OR ARE IN DANGER OF LOSING THEIR HOMES? MS. WHITMAN, YOU (INAUDIBLE) FIRST.

MW: Well, it is a tragedy. I have to say I have met many Latinos and other Californians who in fact have lost their home in this downturn and nothing is worse than losing your home. So I recommend a couple of small — a couple of very important things that we must do. First is we have got to, as I said, put Californians back to work. The best thing we can do for Latinos in California is create good new jobs so that people can afford to pay their mortgages, but I am also in favor of extending the $10,000 homebuyer credit that will allow people to buy a home, it will shore up, I believe, the prices of homes and might give relief to this very terrible — this very tragic situation. But it’s hard. I believe that we — it’s gonna take a little bit of time for this to work through the system because the housing market got over inflated, people got into mortgages that they should not have gotten into and it took us two or three or four years to get into this situation.

I think it’s gonna take some time to get out. But I come back to one thing. Unless we jumpstart this economy, there is no way out of this mess for California. We will not be able to solve the budget crises. You all know we’re facing a $20 billion budget crisis. If we do not put Californians back to work, we will not sustainably be able to increase tax revenues so we can make the investments in the vital services we care about. So that’s my plan. It’s a tough situation, but by putting the economy back on track, that’s the best way forward.

MES: MR. BROWN, THE SAME QUESTION FOR YOU.

JB: Thank you. I just wanted to add, by the way, these tax cuts. If you add them all up, they increase the deficit. And one of the biggest of her proposals, a key plank in her economic platform is to eliminate totally the capital gains tax on billionaires and on millionaires and that five billion, a significant part, will be taken away from the schools and that will not add to the well-being or quality of life to the people who are struggling already. Now, let’s talk about what you can do about people who are losing their homes and threatened with foreclosure. I’m not gonna tell what I will do, I’ll tell you what I am doing. I have a record as well as a set of promises. As attorney general, I have sued Countrywide that ripped off hundreds of thousands of people and won a settlement of over seven billion nationwide with other attorney generals and over 100,000 people are now eligible, under the settlement that I won, to get their loans modified. Number two, I am suing the GMAC Financial organization because they’re putting people in foreclosure without following the laws in California which say, before you do anything, check to see if there’s any way to get a loan modification. And that’s a very important legal protection. I’m also suing those mortgage scam people that send you little notices in the mail that say they’re gonna help you when they really further rip you off. So yes. Protect the consumer, protect the borrower and I will do everything as governor to make sure we accelerate that and find programs to block foreclosures if there’s any legal reason to say, that person wasn’t treated fairly.

MES: AND THIS IS THE SECOND QUESTION. MS. WHITMAN, IT WAS REVEALED THIS WEEK THAT A WOMAN WHO WORKED FOR YOU FOR NINE YEARS WAS ACTUALLY AN UNDOCUMENTED IMMIGRANT. YOU HAVE SAID YOU DID NOT KNOW BECAUSE SHE PROVIDED FAKE DOCUMENTS. YOUR FORMER EMPLOYEE ALSO CLAIMS THAT SHE WAS A VICTIM OF LABOR INJUSTICE, A CHARGE YOU CATEGORICALLY DENIED. YOU HAVE SAID THAT YOU FORMER EMPLOYEE, NICKY DIAZ SANTILLAN, WAS LIKE A MEMBER OF YOUR EXTENDED FAMILY. IF SO WHY DID YOU NOT SHOW COMPASSION FOR THIS LONG-TERM EMPLOYEE AND WHY DID YOU NOT TRY TO LEGALIZE HER STATUS?

MW: So this is a very sad situation, and the Nicky that I saw on the press conference three days ago was not the Nicky that I knew for nine years. And you know my first clue was she kept referring to me as Ms. Whitman and for the 10 years she worked — nine years she worked for me, she called me Meg and I called her Nicky. And so here’s the truth, here’s the real story of what happened. We hired Nicky because she had all the appropriate documents. We went through a hiring agency and then in June of 2009, she came to me to tell me that she was here illegally and did not have the appropriate documents. I made the hardest decision I have almost made in my life which was to let her go. And my lawyer said to me, there’s not much you can do for Nicky. She forged documents, she was here illegally and there’s really not much one can do. So it broke my heart, it was incredibly difficult for me to do. But you know what? the real tragedy here is Nicky. After November 2, no one’s gonna be watching out for Nicky Diaz and Jerry, you know, you should be ashamed. You and your surrogates put her deportation at risk, you put her out there and you should be ashamed for sacrificing Nicky Diaz on the altar of your political ambitions.

MES: MR. BROWN, HAS ANYONE IN YOUR CAMPAIGN OR CLOSE TO YOUR CAMPAIGN HAVE HAD ANYTHING TO DO DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY WITH THESE REVELATIONS AND HAVE YOU EVER KNOWINGLY OR UNKNOWINGLY HIRED AN UNDOCUMENTED WORKER?

JB: No and no. And let me just add – there you saw something. This is incredible, Meg, I didn’t want to hit you on this, but when you try to evade responsibility, you’re going around the state saying, employers must be accountable for hiring unlawful people. There ought to be raids on businesses. There’s no path to citizenship, no path. And young Latinos who may have lived here their whole lives and got A’s in high school should be barred from going to Fresno State. And then what happened here? You’re the one who falsely defamed this woman by saying she stole your mail. It came out that it’s not true and you had information, or at least you had enough to know there was something wrong here. So you’re the one who says, hey, I, you know — everyone’s gotta be accountable, this is a terrible thing, we have all these millions of people, but you don’t want to pass the citizenship. I mean, let’s be sympathetic and let’s really empathize with the millions of people that are in the shadows and you wanna keep them in the shadows and now you are trying to evade responsibility. Don’t run for governor if you can’t stand up on your own two feet and say, hey, I made a mistake, I’m sorry, let’s go on from here. You have blamed her, blamed me, blamed the left, blamed the unions, but you don’t take accountability and you can’t be a leader unless you’re willing to stand on your own two feet and say, yeah, I made a mistake and I’m going on from here.

MES: I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION REGARDING THIS, VERY BRIEFLY JUST REQUIRES A YES OR A NO AND IT’S ABOUT A DETECTOR LIE. THIS ISSUE AROSE THIS WEEK. ARE YOU BOTH WILLING TO SUBMIT AND TAKE A DETECTOR LYING TEST ABOUT THIS ISSUE, MR. BROWN?

JB: I’m not accused of anything so there’s no point in me taking a test. She’s the one who said she wants to do it. It’s her veracity that is in conflict with the housemaid. So that’s the issue.

MES: MS. WHITMAN, WOULD YOU BE WILLING?

MW: I’d like to go back with what Mr. Brown said earlier. You know what? I took accountability. We hired someone who I thought was here legally. She was not. We unfortunately had to let her go. And what would you have had me do? Would you have had me call the Attorney General’s Office to have her deported? What would you have had me do other than exactly what we did? My husband and I played by the rules and the fact that your campaign two weeks ago was talking about this issue, the fact that you are joined at the hip with Gloria Allred. It was a political stunt and I think you should be ashamed.

MES: THANK YOU, THANK YOU, TIME’S UP, THANK YOU. THANK YOU. LET’S GO TO THE NEXT QUESTION PLEASE. MS. WHITMAN YOU HAVE PROPOSED USING STATE RESOURCES TO CRACK DOWN ON COMPANIES THAT HIRE UNDOCUMENTED WORKERS. DO YOU BELIEVE THAT THE STATE SHOULD ALSO SANCTION INDIVIDUALS WHO HIRE UNDOCUMENTED WORKERS AS DOMESTIC EMPLOYEES, NANNIES OR TO DO OTHER WORK IN THEIR HOMES?

MW: Yes, I mean we have a very challenging situation on our hands in California. We have got to get our arms around illegal immigration and I’ve got a good plan. I have said from the beginning I did not think the Arizona law was correct for California but we have to secure the border. We have to hold employers accountable, all employers accountable for hiring only documented workers. We need a better e-verify system. Three strikes and you’re out, pay a fine, and lose your business license. If we do not hold employers accountable we will never get our arms around this very challenging problem. And then of course I think we need to eliminate sanctuary cities and we have to have a temporary guest worker program. That’s a very important part of the entire immigration question. But there is no question that our immigration system is broken. You know President Obama when he was elected he said he was going to take up this challenging immigration system. I think Univision has called him out for saying you have not done anything yet. So the federal government has to play their role. What I can do as governor of California is work on, you know, the plan I just described but what I can really deliver on for Latinos is I can deliver on jobs and education. I know more about the needs of small business. How we can streamline regulations, how we can get Californians back to work and how we can take up fixing our very broken K to 12 education system?

MES: THANK YOU MS. WHITMAN. MR. BROWN THE SAME QUESTION FOR YOU. DO YOU THINK THAT THE STATE SHOULD ALSO SANCTION THOSE WHO CONTRACT UNDOCUMENTED EMPLOYEES SUCH AS NANNIES OR WORKERS THAT THEY HIRE ON THEIR OWN?

JB: Well, first of all I strongly oppose state police, state sheriffs, the Attorney General’s Office going after undocumented people. That is not the business of the state at all. And every police chief that I know is opposed to that, everyone that I know. As a matter of fact the California Police Chiefs Association has endorsed me. They have endorsed me because I’ve got a pretty common sense approach to crime and also how you deal with undocumented persons. This is a federal government problem and the federal government ought to do something about it. Now talking about cracking down Ms. Whitman obviously didn’t crack down on herself and as far as the Arizona law this is a question of talking out both sides of your mouth. And I have to say it, she thinks the Arizona law is okay for Arizona, so she’s for the Arizona law for the people who have been suffering right now, the people, the Latinos in Arizona. Here in California where they’re not proposing the law she says it doesn’t apply here, oh it doesn’t apply here. It’s not good for California but nobody is putting it into effect here. It’s that kind of one thing in Spanish, one thing in English. Second thing, she said she was against 187. 187 was a ballot measure that you voted for or against that would deny benefits to undocumented people. She was in Boston, she didn’t vote. And then in her English language she said Latinos or undocumented people should not expect any state benefits. She’s talking out of both sides of her mouth and I think her veracity is seriously in question.

MES: THANK YOU MR. BROWN, THANK YOU MR. BROWN. NEXT QUESTION, IMMIGRATION IS A PRIORITY FOR MANY MILLIONS OF LATINO VOTERS IN THIS STATE OF CALIFORNIA AS WE KNOW AND WE HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION FOR EACH ONE. MR. BROWN, ALTHOUGH YOU SUPPORT COMPREHENSIVE IMMIGRATION REFORM THAT WOULD OPEN THE DOOR TO LEGALIZATION YOU SAY THAT AS ATTORNEY GENERAL YOU CANNOT SUPPORT DRIVER’S LICENSES FOR UNDOCUMENTED IMMIGRANTS OR SANCTUARY CITIES. IF HOWEVER YOU ARE ELECTED GOVERNOR WOULD YOU SIGN A LAW THAT WOULD GIVE UNDOCUMENTED IMMIGRANTS ACCESS TO DRIVER’S LICENSES? AND WOULD YOU SUPPORT SANCTUARY CITIES?

JB: First of all there are a number of sanctuary cities and if you mean the kind as they had in San Francisco where people actually were committing crimes and then they were released and even protected, that I think is wrong and I certainly don’t support that. In terms of what I would do as governor, here I am Attorney General, I am sworn to uphold the law and people come here illegally. They haven’t regularized their status so I don’t think they should be given the privilege which driving is, of driving. I know it’s a big problem and that’s why if I am elected governor I’m the leader of the largest state in the union I’m going to do whatever I can to get this comprehensive immigration reform. I mean we’ve had Republicans and Democrats in the past. There’s a lot of politics now and the fact that my opponent is so strongly against the path, path to citizenship then what happens? Do we deport two million people in California, 11 million people throughout the country? This is a real human tragedy. It’s a problem and these people are working for Ms. Whitman. They’re working in our, they’re working all over the place, in this university, in restaurants and picking the food in our fields. We know it’s 70 percent, we need to do something. So the real answer is not a little piecemeal driver’s license. That sends the wrong signal. What we need to do is to as Californians we need to demand that our federal government create a secure border, yes but a path to immigration and a way to handle this thing instead of just saying it doesn’t exist. We don’t know about these people. They’re in the shadows…

MES: MR. BROWN…

JB: So we can forget about it, it’s wrong, morally wrong.

MES: MS. WHITMAN, YOU HAVE SAID YOU WOULD BE WILLING TO SEND THE NATIONAL GUARD TO SECURE THE BORDER WITH MEXICO. CALIFORNIA HAS JUST ALLOCATED 300 ADDITIONAL NATIONAL GUARDSMEN TO ITS BORDER BASED ON FEDERAL LEGISLATION. THERE’S A RECORD NUMBER ACTUALLY OF APPREHENSIONS AND DEPORTATIONS. UNDER WHAT CONDITIONS WOULD YOU CONSIDER THE BORDER SECURE? AND WOULD YOU THEN SUPPORT COMPREHENSIVE IMMIGRATION REFORM THAT LEADS TO A PATH TO LEGALIZATION IF YOU CONSIDER THAT THE FRONTIER IS CLEAR?

MW: Well first of all I’m going to counter what Jerry Brown said. I have been entirely consistent on my immigration stance from day one of this campaign. I said I was against Prop 187, no it was not up for a vote. But I was asked what would you do? I have said I was not for the Arizona law. You know what is true is the federal government has abdicated their responsibility and I said I thought it was the state’s rights issue to decide, what each state thought was important for them. And I have said that I do not think the Arizona law was correct in California. If such a law came to me I would veto it and I have been incredibly consistent on securing the border, on holding employers accountable for documented workers. And I did hold myself accountable. It’s just a lie to say that I didn’t. So then in terms of the border security, you know I have spent a day on the border between California and Mexico and what I can tell you is the border patrol agents do not have the resources they need. They need motion detector technology. They need infrared technology. They need more border patrol agents and that is going to be one of the things that we’re going to have to work with the federal government on. But this is an enormous problem and we have got to get our arms around it if we’re going to jumpstart our economy and get this economy back to work. So again I come back to what can you control as the governor? You can advocate on behalf of the various good immigration reform programs but I know I can fix the education system and I know I can create good jobs for all Californians.

MES: MS. WHITMAN, I’M SORRY BUT YOU DID NOT RESPOND TO THE QUESTION. THE QUESTION WAS UNDER WHAT CIRCUMSTANCES WOULD YOU CONSIDER THE FRONTIER SECURE AND WOULD YOU SUPPORT AN IMMIGRATION REFORM? TEN SECONDS PLEASE.

MW: When there are no more illegal immigrants coming across the border then the border is secure. And once we have that then we can talk about what the right thing to do is. But until we can secure the border and get our arms around this problem I don’t think we can talk about what the right thing to do is.

MES: AND NOW WE HAVE A QUESTION FROM ONE OF OUR VIEWERS, LET’S SEE.

AQ: I AM JORGE DE LA CRUZ, SACRAMENTO, CALIFORNIA. AND MY QUESTION FOR THE FUTURE GOVERNOR OF CALIFORNIA WOULD BE, DO YOU BELIEVE THAT BY HELPING THESE ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT COMMUNITIES YOU WOULD BE HELPING CALIFORNIA’S ECONOMY? COULD YOU PLEASE ANSWER MS. WHITMAN FIRST?

MW: Well, illegal immigration is just that, it is illegal and we need to make sure we have the workers that the economy needs to grow and thrive. My solution to that is in part a temporary guest worker program but we live in a rule of law. One of the great things about America and California is that we live under rule of law. There is a judicial process and we have to abide by that so I think the best thing that I can do to help the Latino community in California is first and foremost, as I said, jobs. But let’s talk about education. You know the Latino community lives in communities where often the high school graduation rate is 50 percent or less. I don’t know how many of you have seen the movie, “Waiting for Superman,” but you should because you can see the crisis in our school system.

And I am in the best position to fix our education system. Without a great education system for every child in California there is no California dream. And the number one person who is against education reform in this state, or the number one entity is the California Teachers Association. They are hunkered down to protect the status quo and the California Teachers Association is the number two contributor to Mr. Brown’s campaign of independent expenditure attack ads against me. So here’s the good news, if you give me the honor of being your governor I will go to Sacramento, I will upend the status quo. I will take on the California Teachers Association to fix once and for all our K through 12 education system because I am not beholden to the union.

MES: MR. BROWN CAN YOU PLEASE RESPONSE TO JORGE DE LA CRUZ’S QUESTION?

JB: By the way that’s the same thing that Arnold said under the same guru, her campaign manager, she’s paying $90,000 a month saying, go fight the teachers, go fight the firemen, go fight the public employees and what happens? All four initiatives that were presented under her campaign advisor they all went down to defeat and the governor lost a lot of his credibility. This is not about scapegoating immigrants or about fighting with the people who have to work with, it’s about co-operation. It’s about bringing people together. By the way I’ve got to say something about these temporary workers. This is kind of the attitude and here’s where our values come in. You know she put workers out, she outsourced workers. They laid off 10 percent of the people after she made over $100 million dollars her last year. And this is about human beings. And you don’t bring in temporary workers and then when you know you use them up you send them back. That was the old Bracero program. The (inaudible) jobs program is to bring in temporary workers, like give them a path to citizenship if they conduct themselves in an honorable way. You don’t just bring in semi-serfs and say do our dirty work and then we’re finished with you like an orange. You just throw it away. That’s after you’ve squeeze them, that’s not right. Now let me say something about the 187. She said she’s against 187. 187 was to deny benefits to undocumented people. She had a radio ad where she said the undocumented should expect no state benefits and she’s against allowing any undocumented person to go to a community college. That’s not right and it’s completely inconsistent. Ms. Whitman, tell me, what are you for? Are you for 187 and for benefits or are you against benefits? You said one thing in the primary and you’re saying one thing now.

MES: YOUR TIME IS UP MR. BROWN. IN CALIFORNIA ALMOST HALF A MILLION YOUNG UNDOCUMENTED STUDENTS COULD LEGALIZE THEIR STATUS AND ASPIRE TO A COLLEGE EDUCATION IF THE SO-CALLED DREAM ACT WERE PASSED AT A FEDERAL LEVEL. WE HAVE A QUESTION ON THE SUBJECT FROM OUR AUDIENCE. LET’S GO NOW TO SAYRA VASQUEZ.

SV: Thank you Maria and good afternoon, yes with me I have a student from here from the University of the State of California with a question for both candidates. I am a student in the university and I was brought here when I was a child by my parents and I was educated here. I graduated from high school. I was number one in my class. I am about to graduate from the Fresco State University with honors and with three majors, political science, Latin-American studies and Spanish. Simultaneously the same problem that other students have, I have it. When I graduate I will not be able to exercise my career and hence I will not be able to contribute with all my potential to the economy of this state. My question for you is the following. As governor of the State of California would you support, yes or no, the Dream Act, the federal Dream Act that would help students that are in my same situation and place to get, be on the path to legalization? Thank you.

MES: MR. BROWN?

JB: Yes, to the federal Dream Act which I can’t do anything about, except advocate and yes, to the state Dream Act which I can do something about because our current governor just vetoed a proposal and I would have signed that bill. Now Ms. Whitman goes beyond opposing the Dream Act, she wants to kick you out of this school because you are not documented and that is wrong, morally and humanly.

MES: MS. WHITMAN?

MW: Well first of all I am so pleased by your success and you were able to get a kindergarten through 12 grade education system in California even though you are undocumented. But here is the challenge we face. Our resources are scarce. We are in terrible economic times and slots have been eliminated at the California State University system. I think they’re down by 40,000 students. The same is true at the CSU and the University of California system. Programs have been cut and California citizens have been denied admission to these universities and I don’t think it’s fair to bar and eliminate you know the ability of California citizens to attend higher universities and favor undocumenteds. This is a very tough situation. But I don’t think it’s fair to the people who are here in California legally so I would not be for the California Dream Act and for the federal Dream Act. It is only a partial salve to a very challenging situation and I don’t think we can carve out a group of illegal immigrants and give them a path to citizenship when we haven’t sorted out our control of our borders and getting our arms around illegal immigration. So I would say no to both.

SV: Another question, thank you (inaudible). The high school drop-out rate for Latinos in California has grown. From 14 percent in 2000 to 19 percent in 2008 and only 9.9 percent have college degrees compared to 38.9 percent non-Hispanic Whites. How would you help Hispanic youth finish high school and go to college so that they have the tools to participate in the growth and development of the state? We begin with Ms. Whitman.

MW: Well I have three priorities when I’m governor of California, the first is jobs, second is spending our government money more efficiently so we invest in the vital services and third, is once and for all fixing our K to 12 education system. We are now ranked near the bottom of all 50 states. It is not acceptable. It’s not acceptable that we have high school graduation rates of less than 50 percent. So here’s my plan. The first thing I want to do is grade every single public school a simple letter grade. And then I want to tell the parents. They did this in Florida, another very big diverse state and what they told me was that when you told parents that their third-grader was in an ‘F’ school you have never seen moms and dads so riled up. It increased parent involvement and made a big difference. Second, I want to increase the number of charter schools. Charter schools do a better job for our children but they also provide parents choice. So if your child is in a failing school you have a place to go. And we need to make it easier to start charter schools in California. For those of you who have tried to start a charter school you know you have to practically turn yourself into a pretzel to get it done. And I want to pay the gems of our education system, the teachers, I want to pay them more. They are under tremendous pressure with over crowded classroom. And I want to preserve funding for K-12 education. In fact what I want to do is put more money into the classroom. Of all the money we spend only 60 percent of it goes to classroom, 40 percent of it goes to the bureaucracy. I want to bust the bureaucracy, get local control down to the principals and the students and get our…

MES: THANK YOU MS. WHITMAN

MW: …education system back on track.

MES: TIME IS UP. MR. BROWN THE SAME QUESTION. HOW WOULD YOU HELP STUDENTS?

JB: Thank you. One thing I wouldn’t do, a couple of things I wouldn’t do. One I wouldn’t try to shift from a numerical grade, which is what we have, to a letter grade. All the schools have numerical grades, 750 on what is called the academic performance index or maybe 800 or maybe 500, if it’s a failing school. So every parent, every citizen knows precisely in every school, and every class how people are doing on the numerical score. Adding now letter grades is a simple translation, I could do it myself if that would help Ms. Whitman, but I have to tell you, I don’t think it really adds much, it’s like putting a second speedometer on a car because the engine isn’t too good a second way to measure really doesn’t help you very much. But let’s go to, by the way charter schools, I’ve started two charter schools. Open military schools, where one out of four of the graduates were admitted to the UC system this year, I’m very proud of that and the Oakland School for the Arts. And by — oh the other thing I wanted to, I don’t want to forget that, one thing I don’t want to do is give the capital gains tax break to business and all these other tax breaks, ’cause that cuts a big hole in the budget and the budget is already $19 billion in the red. And half of the money goes to schools. So every time you take another billion out of our budget, you’re taking half of that away from our schools and they’ve already been cut enough. I say protect the schools. Finally, more flexibility at the local level. More power in teachers and principals. Take it away from the bureaucrats in Sacramento and return it to the local level. That will make teaching more effective and I think more responsive to the different kinds of teaching needs.

MES: TIME, TIME IS UP MR. BROWN. AND WE HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION ABOUT EDUCATION. CALIFORNIA’S HIGHER EDUCATION SYSTEM IS THE LARGEST IN THE NATION, YET MANY INSTITUTIONS HAD TO TURN AWAY TENS OF THOUSANDS OF STUDENTS AS A RESULT OF BUDGET CUTS. WE HAVE A QUESTION FROM A UNIVISION.COM VIEWER BETTE RUBINOW. “SINCE REQUIRED CLASSES ARE NOT READILY AVAILABLE, IT HAS BECOME INCREASINGLY DIFFICULT TO COMPLETE AN UNDERGRADUATE EDUCATION AT OUR CALIFORNIA PUBLIC UNIVERSITIES IN FOUR YEARS. THIS MAKES THE COST OF GETTING A DEGREE EVEN HIGHER. AS GOVERNOR WHAT WOULD YOU DO TO AMELIORATE THIS SITUATION?”

JB: Big problem, I mean the great university system, I mean this is a system I love. I went to the University of California. My mother went to the University of California and my father when he was the governor of this state actually created three new universities at California at Santa Cruz, at Riverside and at Irvine. So the Brown family is completely dedicated to enhancing and preserving the opportunity to go the University of California. Let me give you a couple of things if you are short of money and what happened after I left Sacramento, I mean boy things just went down hill after that and they started spending more and more money in prisons. Can you believe the next three governors built 22 prisons and only two colleges? One UC in Merced and one State College. Okay, so we gotta find more money. We gotta start finding savings and I think we can find a billion in the prison system. I want to move that back into the college system. Then secondly I want the community college curricula to match very closely UC. So when you take something at the community college it will be accepted and you can be getting your work so you can get right into the UC system upper division and have no problems, really guide your pathways. The other thing is online, we ought to try some of that. And yeah, if we can get some more money get the economy going. And my jobs program will do exactly that. It’ll restore California as a leader in the field of innovation and renewable energy.

MES: MS. WHITMAN CAN YOU PLEASE RESPOND?

MW: Sure. The only way we are going to ever have enough money to fully fund our UC system and our K-12 education system is to get our economy back on track. And I am for eliminating the state capital gains tax and you know why, because it’s a tax on jobs, it’s a tax on innovation, it’s a tax on really great jobs in California. So of course I am against it. We don’t live in a vacuum in California anymore. We have to compete for jobs with Arizona, Colorado, Utah and Texas. If we make these tax cuts businesses will stay in California. Businesses will come back to California and we will have more tax revenues, not less tax revenues. And that is one of the ways we will fund the entire UC system. But Jerry Brown’s record on the K-12 education system is abysmal. He ran for mayor of Oakland as the education mayor. Three years later the state took over the Oakland public school system because they were $100 million in debt and he has not accepted accountability for this. You know who he let down? He let down the moms and the kids. They counted on him to make changes to the Oakland public school system and he did not. At the end of his time as mayor of Oakland he said, yes my education system was largely a bust. And let me say word about Florida. Florida is a very big diverse state. They had a numerical grading system. No parents understood it. When they went to a simple letter grade it helped parents really understand very easily, quickly how good or not so good their child’s school was. I think it’s an important element in the plan.

MES: TIME IS UP MS. WHITMAN. NEXT QUESTION, NOW WE’RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT ANOTHER. I’M SORRY BUT…

JB: To that very deceptive statement about what I did about the schools. She talked about the state coming in. I asked the state to come in. I was the mayor. The school board is separately elected, it’s a different government, a different jurisdiction and the mayor any city, particularly Oakland, has no power over this. I called those people in. When I ran for mayor I said, I’m going to create charter schools, encourage them, and thereby put competitive pressure on the main school system. And you know what, the charter schools went from 3 to 21 during my eight years as mayor and I’m proud of that.

MES: WELL WOULD YOU LIKE TO REBUT, YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY ALSO.

MW: I absolutely would. You know what’s really wrong about politics today is politicians don’t take accountability. Jerry Brown ran a measure to put more individuals on the school board so he could take over the education system. He ran on the promise, he promised them that he would fix the education system and he didn’t. And he has to take accountability for it.

JB: Well I’ll respond to that.

MES: THANK YOU VERY MUCH MR. BROWN WE CAN NOT CONTINUE WITH THIS. PLEASE MR. BROWN WE NEED TO CONTINUE WITH THE OTHER QUESTION AND WE’RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT ANOTHER SERIOUS PROBLEM FACED BY CALIFORNIA RESIDENTS; CHRONIC WATER SHORTAGE AND THE IMPACT THIS HAS ON OBVIOUSLY THE STATE, UNEMPLOYMENT AND THE QUALITY OF LIFE. WE HAVE A QUESTION FROM THE AUDIENCE FOR BOTH OF OUR CANDIDATES. LET’S GO WITH SAYRA VASQUES. SAYRA?

SV: Thank you Maria Elena and precisely that yes, for that question we have Jose Antonio Ramirez who is the administrator of the community of Firebaugh.

AQ: Hello, welcome. We all know that there is much being done and this is contributing to unemployment to the exodus of our businesses to other states in here in the center valley it is much worse because agriculture is the heart of our community so how are you planning to do this valley to not be forgotten and make sure that the crisis of water shortage can be solved at the state level. Ms. Whitman?

MW: So I’ve been to the central valley over 30 times in the course of this campaign and this is a remarkable part of California. Nine out of the top 10 agriculture producing counties in the country are right here in the central valley and we have got to assure a water supply. So I was a proponent of the water bond that the legislature recently served up, unfortunately it has been kicked to 2012. An essential element of solving our water crisis is more above and below ground storage, a peripheral canal to get water around the delta to the central valley as well as to Orange County and San Diego and Los Angeles. And we all have to do a better job of conserving water, so that in the end we can pump more water back to the delta for the ecological health of the delta as well as the farmers in the delta. But you know what? I come from the real world where you actually have to get things done. And while this water bond was not perfect it was a hard-fought compromise between the environmental group, the water agencies, the users of water and I think it was the right thing to do. Had that bond been funded, I would have used the governor’s veto power to eliminate a billion to a billion dollars of pork out of that bond, but it was the right thing to do and it’s a shame because I am sorry the legislature and the governor did not stand up for this bill because we’re going to be having the same conversation five years from now and 10 years from now unless we move forward to solve the water crisis in the central valley.

MES: MR. BROWN?

JB: Water is really fundamental and California is unique. We have droughts and we had one in ‘97 and we’ve had a couple since and we also have massive floods. And we need flood control. And the water is in the north and the eastern part of the state and the people are on the coast or on the southern part of the state. So you’ve got to move it around, but it is controversial. I mean there’s a reason why the last water project built in California was built by my father back in the ’60’s. Now the next time something happened was when I was governor and I actually got the peripheral canal built with protections, environmental protection for the delta through the legislature and then some folks not in Fresno, but down there in Kern county they decided that they didn’t like it, they wanted more. And so they defeated it in a popular referendum. But we had the plan. We had the peripheral canal so I don’t give you promises. I’ve got a record. And if I’m the next governor I will deal with water. I know it because I’ve done it before and I understand things. And by the way I also want to deal with pure water. There are a lot kids even in this valley they’re suffering from birth defects. We want to make sure we have pure drinking water and we also want to make sure we have our underground water managed locally, but given help by the state, that we develop greater efficiencies, that we have the ability to move water, water sales. And yes then we take care of those levies that are falling apart and that’s another jobs program. Invest in water infrastructure and we can put a lot of people to work.

MES: THANK YOU BOTH. AND THE FOLLOWING QUESTION IS ALMOST 30 PERCENT OF HISPANICS IN CALIFORNIA DO NOT HAVE HEALTH INSURANCE. AS GOVERNOR WHAT CAN YOU DO TO FACILITATE ACCESS TO HEALTHCARE FOR MILLIONS OF PEOPLE WHO ARE POTENTIAL BURDEN ON STATE SERVICES. WE’LL BEGIN WITH MR. BROWN.

JB: Well first of all I support President Obama’s health plan. I’d like to know if Ms. Whitman does that, because that’s the only game in town right now and while there’s some problems, like for example it needs more cost control, it is a framework to bring in children and to bring in people who have no other way of getting their health insurance. So that’s a very important part; working with the federal government to make that new national health plan work. That’s the path forward. Secondly, we have a Medi-Cal program that has its own issues. I think we’ve got to save money in that program so we can continue to cover those at the lowest incomes and then finally we have to when we work in the state government as we cut the budget we make sure that we don’t cut the health programs in a way that will help so many families that are working in the public sector. And then finally we have these health exchanges that allow people to purchase health insurance. And then at the end of the day of course it’s about jobs and it’s not just about jobs, it’s about jobs with good wages and we’ve got to be fair about this. Because in the last 20 years the income has been moving up to the highest sectors, the top one or two percent and those in the middle and much worse those towards the bottom they don’t have enough money even to do the basics which are healthcare. So I’m gonna be a champion for the working people of California and decent wages and good jobs.

MW: Well healthcare is an enormous challenge in California and it’s driving up the cost of small business. I think I’ve run into so many small business people who have had to, you know, cut back on their health insurance or it really kept them from hiring more workers because health insurance had gotten so expensive. The problem is Obama care is going to make it worse for small businesses not better. There is a requirement for very expensive healthcare insurance on the behalf of small business. It’s going to create, every small business person I’ve talked to says, this is going to create a huge burden. So at a time when we need to make it easier for small businesses, we’re going to make it harder. The other issue is it could put another $3 billion unfunded liability on California, meaning we’re going to owe $3 billion more when we already have a $20 billion budget deficit. So here’s what I’d do, first is if you want to bring down the cost of things in our society, the way you do it is open up some competition. We should open up California to more insurance competition so there’s more choices for people, more ability to buy plans. Second we should make sure that we eliminate the fraud in Medicare and Medi-Cal. Estimates are $3 billion to $5 billion of fraud in that system and that’s because we don’t use technology to do more with less. The computer system in the state of California belongs in a museum. I come from Silicon Valley and we can do a lot better and then we can use electronic medical records to make sure that we bring down the costs of healthcare for everyone which will allow us to cover more individuals and that’s the ultimate goal. But I don’t think Obama care is the way to go because it’s going to hurt small business.

MES: NEXT QUESTION. LAST NIGHT THERE WAS NEWS OF A TENTATIVE AGREEMENT TO CLOSE THE ALMOST $20 MILLION BUDGET GAP IN THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA. AS GOVERNOR WHAT WOULD YOU DO TO PREVENT THE BUDGET FROM SPINNING OUT OF CONTROL AND MAKE SURE THAT A SIMILAR SITUATION THAT LEAVES THE STATE WITHOUT A STANDING PLAN NEVER HAPPENS AGAIN AND WE BEGIN WITH MS. WHITMAN.

MW: Well first I would start on the budget a lot earlier. What happens is the governor puts out his budget in January, not much happens until May and then really this time over 100 days until there is a budget and often a budget is solved with gimmicks and things that don’t put the state on a solid financial footing. So first is I think we’ve got some teeth in the Constitution that says by June 15 we have to have a budget. So I think for every day that the legislature is late on that budget they shouldn’t be allowed to fundraise. They shouldn’t be allowed to collect their salary, and they shouldn’t get their per diems. There has to be some teeth in getting the legislature to do the work of the people of California. And then here’s what we also have to do. We’ve got to go to a two-year budgeting cycle. We constantly have our walls — our backs to the wall without the ability to make the longer term investments. But the only way to ultimately close this budget gap is we have to put Californians back to work. That’s the only sustainable way to increase tax revenues. And then we have to run the government more efficiently and effectively. We’ve got to streamline the number of people who work for the state, we’ve got to use technology to do more with less. You know, it’s amazing to me. We have the most dysfunctional state government in the country, and yet this is the state that gave us technology, Apple, Amgen, EBay, Google, and it is amazing to me that we have not used technology to do a lot more with less. We also have to reform our welfare program, and we have to get after the public employee pension benefits that will cause this state to run out of money if we don’t renegotiate the benefits.

MES: MR. BROWN, THE SAME QUESTION FOR YOU.

JB: Thank you. Well, the budget is it’s a mess. It’s taken a long time to get into this mess, it’s going to take some time to get out. And the budget is the blueprint, it expresses our values as Californians, and unfortunately they’ve been, you know, just pushing the can down the road, and they haven’t been able to stand up and say, okay, here’s what we’ve got to do. Tough decisions, we’ve got to live within our means. Now, let me say something about this budget. I’ve done eight of them. Eight budgets, all right? Most of them were on time. One actually was two weeks late, a couple more a couple days. But basically it was on time and we had an economy that created — talking about jobs, 1,970,000 jobs during the eight years that I was governor. I didn’t create those jobs, Californians did, but I was cheerleading and taking the policies and the decisions to not only encourage that job formation, but also block the legislature from spending all the money so we run into deficits. Now, what would I do? The first I would not — and I have to say it again, cut the capital gains tax. California is already getting over 50 percent of the venture capital with the income tax we have. This is a question of values. If you lower the capitals gains, you eliminate it, the people who clip coupons and just earn interest they don’t pay the tax, but the hardworking people of California, policemen, firemen, carpenters, they have to pay the tax on their salary and that’s not right. Then I’d start, lead from the top, set an example. Cut my own budget 15 to 20 percent, challenge the legislature do the same. Then go through every department as I’ve done before, and I will cut and make the tough decision, you can count on it.

MES: YES. THE TIME IS UP. WELL, WE HAVE ONE LAST QUESTION, AND PERHAPS THIS LAST QUESTION IS QUITE DIFFERENT, AND THIS IS FOR BOTH. COULD YOU MENTION THREE QUALITIES OF YOUR OPPONENT THAT COULD MAKE HIM OR HER A GOOD GOVERNOR’S GOVERNOR? WE BEGIN WITH MR. BROWN.

JB: Wow. This is going to be tough for both of us, I think. What shall I say? She’s smart, and she’s pretty tough, I can tell you that because I’ve been campaigning against her for several months, and she’s had a pretty interesting set of job experiences. I don’t want to say too much, because she’s going to say what she needs to say. And is that it? Can I tell you about all my qualities, or do I have to depend on Ms. Whitman to articulate them?

MES: NINETY SECONDS. SO MS. WHITMAN, THE SAME QUESTION FOR YOU. THREE QUALITIES OF YOUR OPPONENT THAT WOULD MAKE HIM A GOOD GOVERNOR OF CALIFORNIA.

MW: Well, I think he cares a great deal about California. He has had a long career in public service, and I really like his choice of wife. I’m a big fan of Anne Gust. So what do I bring to this table? I bring 30 years of business experience. You know what I want to do? I want to make it easier for businesses in California. Because when it’s easier for businesses, they hire more people, and that means more families have jobs, more kids have the support that need for their California dream. And, you know, my husband and I came here in the early ’80’s to pursue the California dream. He wanted to be a young doctor, was training at the University of California San Francisco. I had dreams of being a success in business. And California has been very good to both of us, and I care a lot about this state. The reason I’m running for governor is I refuse to believe that we cannot improve this state. I refuse to believe that we cannot be better than we are, and I know we can do this. We can turn this state around, but it’s going to take focus. It’s going to take a focus on putting people back to work, on making it better for families in California, and I have been all over this state now. I’ve been to nearly 58 counties, and families are really struggling. People are really hurting. Right here in the central valley, gosh, we have a humanitarian crisis going on. There’s an unemployment rate in Mendota that is close to 35 or 40 percent. And that’s not what we want for California. We can turn this around, but I think it’s going to take an entirely different brand of leadership and a different set of experiences, and I think my experience in the private sector is just what we need.

MES: YES. THE TIME IS UP MS. WHITMAN. SO WE ARE ALMOST AT THE END OF THIS DEBATE, BUT FIRST BOTH MS. WHITMAN AND MR. BROWN WILL HAVE A MINUTE AND A HALF FOR A CLOSING STATEMENT. HISPANIC VOTERS ARE LISTENING. WE BEGIN WITH YOU, MS. WHITMAN.

MW: Well, first of all, thank you so much for hosting this debate. I am a big fan of the central valley and I’m delighted here to be at Fresno State, and thank you to Univision. You know, we do have a tremendous set of challenges in our state. You all know the statistics. We have the third highest unemployment rate in the country. Did anyone ever think we would have the third highest unemployment rate only behind Michigan and Nevada? We have K through 12 education system ranked at the bottom of the barrel. We haven’t made the necessary investments in infrastructure. We have an infrastructure built for a population half our size, and we have a $20 billion budget deficit and the most dysfunctional state government in the country. And what I bring is a fresh approach. My approach is anchored and focused. Could we do three things really well, and restore the voter’s confidence in our government? Today voters have no confidence in what the legislature and the governor will do. The legislature now has a nine percent approval rating. We are down to blood relatives and paid staffers. They’re the only people who think that the government is doing a good job. I want to bring an entirely fresh approach. I want to make sure we run the government more efficiently. We waste so much money in this government. I would be the governor who says no to wasteful spending so we can turn that money to invest in the vital services we really care about. I promise you I will fix our education system, and if you give me the honor of going to Sacramento, I will go independently. I do not owe anything to anybody, and I will do what is right for the people of California, and I will stay in touch with the Latino community. I know–I care about what you think.

MES: THANK YOU, MS. WHITMAN. TIME IS UP. MR. BROWN YOUR FINAL –AND YOUR CONCLUSION.

JB: Well, thank you very much. It’s been a real pleasure to be here in Fresno and be able to speak over Spanish television. This is really something. The state of California and all its problems, but I want to just remind everybody, California is richer than 195 other nations. We’re the seventh or eighth richest country in the world. Last year $1.8 trillion was produced and generated by the businesses and people of California. So, yes, we got a problem. We’ve got this deficit. But we have tremendous potential, and we’ve been the leader before in aerospace, even in oil in years before that, and in computers and software, and we can be the renewal — the leader again in renewable energy and innovating water investments and all the rest. I’ve been at this a while, that’s true. But I’ve seen government from the point of view of a governor, a mayor of Oakland, a tough city, now as the attorney general and the chief law enforcement person. I understand this thing. I grew up my father was–when I was growing up my father was running for office as a district attorney, and he always instilled in me a sense that public service was honorable. Now, of course, I didn’t start there. I went to join the teaching order, the Society of Jesus, because I, quite frankly, didn’t like politics when I was a kid, but I got over that, and now I do kind of like it. But look, I have the know-how, I have the values, I care about the people. It’s not just about business and tax breaks. It’s about human beings and giving the powerless more power.

MES: THANK YOU, MR. BROWN. TIME IS UP.

JB: And finally I’ve got a vision, and I’ll tell you about that in the next debate.

MES: PERFECT. AND WE THANK YOU MS. WHITMAN AND MR. BROWN FOR HELPING US MAKE HISTORY TODAY. AND WELL, WE HAVE COME TO THE END OF THIS DEBATE, THE FIRST EVER HELD IN SPANISH BETWEEN TWO CANDIDATES FOR THE GOVERNOR OF CALIFORNIA. WE’D ALSO LIKE TO THANK EVERYBODY, THANK YOU. ON NOVEMBER 2, PLEASE DON’T FORGET TO VOTE.

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