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CNN Democratic debate November 15, 2007

Just started watching, and so far both questions CNN has gone to the audience for had major issues.

First, the claim that the questioner was racially profiled is just that: a claim, not a fact.

Second, the question about immigration contained a lie: terrorists have indeed crossed our southern border, as have tens of thousands of people from Special Interest countries like Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and more [1]. CNN's Suzanne Malveaux then tossed it to Bill Richardson, who simply launched into his stock legalization speech.

CNN is wasting your time and allowing unfounded claims and lies to be spread.

From the transcript (link), here's the question:

It seems that many political commentators such as Lou Dobbs are guiding the debate and strongly shaping U.S. policy on immigration by insinuating a linkage to terrorism. As many people know, no terrorist has come from our southern border. Do you consider fighting terrorism and slowing the flow of illegal immigration coming from our southern border as intrinsically related issues?

About the second question, Katharine Q. Seelye of the New York Times says:

Really smart question from a voter who asked whether fighting terrorism and slowing immigration were intertwined.

Such "journalism"!

Ben Smith at the Politico (politico . com/blogs/bensmith/1107/Terrorism_and_the_border.html) chimes in, saying it was a "very good question".

You don't want to know what I thought of the "diamonds or pearls" question.

Please, please, please:
1. Go to campaign appearances.
2. Ask tough questions.
3. Upload and promote the response.

CNN isn't a news source, they're propaganda mixed with entertainment. We need to completely disintermediate them.

UPDATE: The "diamonds or pearls" student has issued a statement (link):

"Every single question asked during the debate by the audience had to be approved by CNN... I was asked to submit questions including "lighthearted/fun" questions. I submitted more than five questions on issues important to me. I did a policy memo on Yucca Mountain a year ago and was the finalist for the Truman Scholarship. For sure, I thought I would get to ask the Yucca question that was APPROVED by CNN days in advance."

CNN's Sam Feist (sam.feist *at* cnn.com) says it was because that question had already been asked earlier. Now that we know that CNN had to approve each question, we know that CNN allowed a lie and an unverified claim to be broadcast. Please contact Feist with your thoughts.

UPDATE 2: See also "Campbell Brown/CNN asks simplistic question, gets stock Barack Obama answer (benefits for illegal aliens)" and "Barack Obama supports driver's licenses for illegal aliens, misleads about incentives".

UPDATE 3 (POTTED PLANT EDITION): How prescient of me! The "racial profiling" person (Khalid Khan) is president of the Islamic Council of Nevada. He apparently has a link to Harry Reid. The "pearls" girl is apparently a former illegal alien who used to work for... Harry Reid. See the comment from Jenny Bea here.

[1] From this (or this):

Texas' top homeland security official said Wednesday that terrorists with ties to Hezbollah, Hamas and al-Qaida have been arrested crossing the Texas border with Mexico in recent years.

See also "[45,000] Illegals From Terror-Sponsoring Nations at Large in US", "FBI warns of 'special interest' aliens", "Terrorists at The Border?", "Illegals from terrorist nations are crossing the border into Arizona", "FBI's Mueller: Hezbollah Busted in Mexican Smuggling Operation" (March 2006), "Terror-Linked Migrants Crossing Into U.S.", Bush "cognizant" of border terrorism risk, but won't do anything about it and, from this PDF file:

Members of Hezbollah, the Lebanon-based terrorist organization, have already entered to the United States across our Southwest border. On March 1, 2005, Mahmoud Youssef Kourani pleaded guilty to providing material support to Hezbollah. Kourani is an illegal alien who had been smuggled across the U.S.-Mexico border after bribing a Mexican consular official in Beirut for a visa to travel to Mexico. Kourani and a Middle Eastern traveling partner then paid coyotes in Mexico to guide them into the United States.

Other tags: debates · katharine seelye

Thu, 11/15/2007 - 17:38 · Importance: 4

Fri, 11/16/2007 - 01:09
Tanstaafl
age-of-treason.blogspot.com/

I'm concerned about terrorists, but I'm actually just as much or even more concerned about the millions of poor and uneducated Third Worlders who show a tendency for violence and dependency. The bulk who self-identify as Latino demonstrate blatant ethnocentrism and an unwillingness to assimilate even after multiple generations. These immigrants are balkanizing and crowding our country, as well as burdening and threatening our tax-paying law-abiding citizens. I also object to the use of the word immigration. At this scale and with this much disapproval of the natives the word invasion, or perhaps colonization, would be a far more honest way to describe what is actually being perpetrated.

Fri, 11/16/2007 - 08:04
llamajockey

FIRST, THE CLAIM THAT THE QUESTIONER WAS RACIALLY PROFILED IS JUST THAT: A CLAIM, NOT A FACT. Let's just suppose for one minute that the older middle eastern gentlemen who asked the questions has been racially profiled. Is the problem of individuals having to be racially profiled at Airports in part not a function of our tolerance of open borders??? Allowing tens of millions of illegal aliens to move about the country using forged and fraudulent government documents, social security cars, driver licenses, and even passports not to mention overstayed visas and tourist permits means that our national systems of identification is broken. In additions tolerating millions of cases of identity fraud with only a handful of modest penalties makes a mockery of our potential terrorist tracking efforts. Furthermore any country that tolerates ten of millions of illegal aliens helps to support massive international organized crime operations that profit from phony documents and potentially enable terrorist networks. If our drivers licenses and even passports can not give law enforcement or other security personel a reasonable garrantee somebody is who they say they are than racial profiling is a tactic that will tend to be relied on justly or unjustly. Would it not been far better if the candidates would not simply state the obvious that "Open Borders" in the long run enables and encourages authoritarian government measures in order to provide for public safety security. Even more ironic last night was the suggestion implied by the question from the local latino student chamber of commmerce representive that Mexican illegals are not a terrorist threat and our open southern border is not a national security issue. So Mexican illegals should be viewed less suspicion than US citizens and legal residents of middle eastern backgrounds who full comply with the law??? Talk about racial profiling...

Sat, 11/17/2007 - 19:23
Argh

It is not quite a lie. Many people do in fact "know" that no terrorist has crossed the US's southern boarder. The fact that terrorists have crossed the boarder has no bearing on the fact that many people "know" otherwise.